Ron Fellows Follow Up- Post-School Impressions
Page 1 of 33 12311 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 487
Like Tree1244Likes

Thread: Ron Fellows Follow Up- Post-School Impressions

  1. #1
    Super Moderator
    Gold Supporting Member
    jsvette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Vegas
    Mileage
    19k+
    Posts
    14,624
    Member #
    313
    Liked
    10493 times

    thubs up Ron Fellows Follow Up- Post-School Impressions

    Once you have attended Ron Fellows Stingray Performance Driving School, please post your impressions for example, about how, if at all, the experience impacts your thinking and driving of your Stingray? Feel free to also include any hints you think future owners might find of value when they attend the school. It would also be useful to share whether this is your first formal performance driving school. Thanks!
    aka Jeff
    'RedHot' Prod.Wk 7 Oct '13 Museum Del. 29 Oct '13
    Torch Red, 2LT Adrenaline Red, AutoTrans., Nav., Perf. Exhaust, Transparent panel, Red Brembos, CQuartz Finest
    Contributing Member of the National Corvette Museum

  2. #2
    Junior Member richscorvettes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Connecticut
    Posts
    12
    Member #
    288
    Liked
    41 times
    We just returned from the two day school on May 28th and 29th. Earlier this year I had read on the Forums about the special offer for new C7 Corvette Owners. While I've had track experience at Lime Rock and Watkins Glen I had never attended a formal school and this offer was just too good to pass up. With Chevrolet covering 60% of the cost the savings paid for our flights and three night condo stay.

    We had two primary objectives in mind: first, to learn everything about the capabilities of the C7 and, second, to learn current driving techniques from a formal driving school. In both respects our expectations were exceeded.

    The driving school was extremely well done. Just the right balance of classroom, exercises and plenty of on-track driving. The school begins at 8am and ends around 4:30 each day. The instructors were all superb. Maybe the most impressive part of the instruction was that they kept control of their cars while looking out their rear-view mirrors to give you instruction on the correct entry, braking and shifting points all while speaking to you on their in-car radio's. My wife, Barb, attended all the classes and also rode with one instructor so she got to experience most everything in person. Riding with the instructor is open to anyone accompanying you who wants to experience the track. The school Director is really energetic and enthusiastic and that followed to all the instructors. There were thirteen drivers in our group and everyone was really friendly and all there for the same reasons - especially to have fun. Everyone came away with a great experience and had nothing but good things to say about every facet of the school and the facility.

    The first day was a mix of classroom instruction on braking, cornering, understanding under-steer and over-steer, hitting the apex's correctly, exit speed and quite a bit of time on heel and toeing. We also did wet skid pad runs along with full force braking to give us a feel of the car at its limits. After each classroom session it was onto the track for practical experience and a debrief afterwards. We did several heel and toeing practice sessions even though the C7 has the Rev Match - which works great by the way. In the afternoon of the first day we had group sessions of three to four cars on the track following one of the instructors. Each driver rotated their position to be directly behind the instructor so he could give you tips on the correct line, when to brake, when to downshift, what to look for on the apex and when to "balance" the car entering a turn as well as when to accelerate out of the turn. Their emphasis is on exit speed and not barreling into the corners. The second day was spent with many on-track sessions. They moved the drivers into smaller groups depending on your lap speeds which provided more laps at greater speeds. Interestingly, the instructors used Camaro's for most of the early sessions (I believe because of better rear visibility) but for the last two sessions our instructor used a Vette so we could really get going. Those sessions were the most fun!

    They have several track configurations and we used the 1.5 mile track which was designed for the driving school with plenty of variations of left and right turns, some slightly banked turns, decreasing radius turns, tight 180 degree turns, one small downhill section and two straights.

    The C7 is really impressive as a track car: great engine torque, extremely well balanced, great brakes, unreal cornering capability and fast. All of the cars used are C7 Z51's with the 7 speed transmission although they have just ordered ten C7's with automatic transmissions if you want to use those. I was impressed by how hard the cars could be run with not a single car having any issues. If these things can be flogged as hard as we were using them they should really hold up well in regular street driving. We made every run with the A/C on which was nice to keep things cool even in those cars which had the transparent roof. By the way, they use the stock tires, brake pads and alignment settings but they do use the front brake cooling rings.

    We stayed in the condo's at the track which were really well designed, superbly furnished, spotlessly clean and decorated by someone who had great taste. We had a balcony on the rear of the room which looked out onto the track. The condo's are the most convenient place to stay and reasonably priced as they have a discounted rate for school participants.

    The locale in Pahrump, Nevada is right in the desert as you would expect and seems pretty sparsely populated. For places to eat we tried Symphony at the local winery which was a really good higher end restaurant and the local casino also has a good restaurant as well as a café. The Clubhouse at the track serves breakfast ($8 which is very reasonable), lunch (included for the students and $15 for others) and, on at least two nights (Monday and Tuesday), they also serve dinner. All their meals were good and reasonably priced.

    The weather was great even at 95-97 degrees since there was always a strong breeze blowing. They have plenty of shaded areas and Barb found the tower to be cool and offer great views. She took many of the pictures from that tower - a total of 149 pictures but unfortunately many were of the barren desert as she seemed to miss the cars speeding by……….

    While we were out there we added two extra days after the school to visit Red Rock Canyon, the Hoover Dam, the Las Vegas Motor Speedway and tour downtown Las Vegas which made it a great experience with a little local scenery thrown in.

    It was certainly an experience well worth the time and expense. We would highly recommend their school to anyone looking for a great experience.

    Rich

    Name:  RonFellows-5-2014-GroupPhoto1024x680.jpg
Views: 3422
Size:  379.6 KB
    jsvette, MYKZDRM, Lipstic and 18 others like this.

  3. #3
    Super Moderator
    Gold Supporting Member
    jsvette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Vegas
    Mileage
    19k+
    Posts
    14,624
    Member #
    313
    Liked
    10493 times
    Thanks very much Rich for the details!
    aka Jeff
    'RedHot' Prod.Wk 7 Oct '13 Museum Del. 29 Oct '13
    Torch Red, 2LT Adrenaline Red, AutoTrans., Nav., Perf. Exhaust, Transparent panel, Red Brembos, CQuartz Finest
    Contributing Member of the National Corvette Museum

  4. Remove Advertisements
    StingrayForums.com
    Advertisements
     

  5. #4
    Member Photoman03's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Mileage
    13,600
    Posts
    55
    Member #
    3419
    Liked
    40 times
    I can't wait to do this! Thanks for sharing your experience.

  6. #5
    Senior Member Racerbob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Huntington Beach,Ca.
    Mileage
    Not enough
    Posts
    210
    Member #
    1830
    Liked
    27 times
    Was there any mention of oil ingestion or coking?
    Sent from my Ipad using Sting Ray Corvette Forum
    Velocity Yellow 2LT-Z51 Coupe
    Black Interior
    NPP Exhaust
    Black Wheels
    Red Calipers
    Carbon Flash Stinger
    Carbon Flash Mirrors & Spoiler
    Mag. Ride
    Navigation

  7. #6
    Junior Member richscorvettes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Connecticut
    Posts
    12
    Member #
    288
    Liked
    41 times
    Quote Originally Posted by Racerbob View Post
    Was there any mention of oil ingestion or coking?
    During the classroom we had a chance to ask questions about the car but I don't recall any relating to ingestion or coking. I did ask about other things such as whether or not they used all the stock components and settings for track use. The school director said they use the stock brake pads, tires and alignment settings and that they do install the front brake cooling rings. I also asked about their break-in procedure and they advised that the follow the book and won't take the cars on the track until they have at least 1,500 miles on them.

    I didn't think to ask about any oil related issues but doubt the cars have enough miles on them to determine if coking is an issue. I had wanted to find a time when we could speak with the mechanics maintaining the cars to ask them a few questions but they were gone by the time our sessions concluded.

    Rich
    Rich & Barb Lagasse

    Web Site: (pictures and information on all generations of Corvettes, restorations and customs we've built): Hidden Content

  8. #7
    Senior Member Chip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Ashland Va.
    Posts
    4,607
    Member #
    84
    Liked
    1835 times
    Good stuff, thanks for the write up!




  9. #8
    Senior Member Georgio51's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Ormond Beach, FL
    Posts
    420
    Member #
    544
    Liked
    114 times
    Great report. Many thanks. I don't know how long the discount will last (or lasted) but I'd like to do this with one of the 6 speeds they have on order. Thanks again.
    George

    Scarlet - '14 Crystal Red C7 Coupe (#4054), Kalahari, Auto, LT2, NAV, Perf Exhaust, Chrome, Visible Carbon Roof

  10. #9
    Senior Member Rich427's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Fort Myers, Florida
    Posts
    136
    Member #
    502
    Liked
    60 times
    Quote Originally Posted by Georgio51 View Post
    Great report. Many thanks. I don't know how long the discount will last (or lasted) but I'd like to do this with one of the 6 speeds they have on order. Thanks again.
    The discounts are for C7 buyers and remain in effect for up to 1 year from date of delivery to the original purchaser. When you register with Spring Mountain, you have to give them your VIN and they verfiy the original purchaser of that car. I hear they will continue this program for the 2015 MY.
    2010 ZR1
    Crystal Red/Two tone Titanium

    2014 Z51 7 speed Convertible
    Laguna Blue/Grey interior/Grey top

  11. #10
    Super Moderator
    Gold Supporting Member
    jsvette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Vegas
    Mileage
    19k+
    Posts
    14,624
    Member #
    313
    Liked
    10493 times

    thubs up A recap of the phenomenal experience

    Summary: Highly recommend Ron Fellows Performance Driving School Stingray 2 day course.
    My impressions: It is much more driving than you anticipate. It is run by Rick Malone, who is genuinely interested in your getting the most you can out of the sessions. You are led by highly capable instructors with superb interaction and instructional skills. It goes quickly but is intense for the most part (I lost 2 ½ pounds in the 2 days and I was eating well, drinking plenty of fluids, etc.). You will easily be pushed to your limits in a friendly and non-pressure manner. You ultimately determine in almost all of the driving how far you want to push yourself.
    As with most things in life what you take away will of course be moderated by what you come with (some participants had already had track training either here or elsewhere, some had no track or high performance driving instruction previous to the course) and what you put into it. I have zero interest in ever tracking in my car or someone else’s. My racing days are well in the past. I also was initially bummed that they did not have sufficient number of automatics to suit those who purchased an automatic (like myself). But my ‘takeaways’ are numerous from the course:
    -The Stingrays are darn near bullet proof (the instructors’ words by the way). The cars are at times brutally driven, driven very very hard, pushed, etc. and yet they have had no problems. They specifically have had no oil ingestion issues- I asked two different times. They have now somewhere in the vicinity of 150 to 200 Stingrays there.
    -Until you take a course like this you have (or at least I had) absolutely no real idea as to how capable this Stingrays are in terms of sticking through the turns, stopping and high speed maneuvering. They consistently pushed (encouraged is a better word) you to go faster through the slaloms, curves and ‘ses.’ We- the participants- pretty consistently eased back at some point but not because the Stingray couldn’t handle it.
    -You take away a lot of great skills that cross apply to everyday defensive driving, such as how to properly use ABS and steer while doing it exactly where you want to go; how to really scan the road ahead; how to brake to drop speed versus ‘trail’ brake to shift the weight distribution; when to shift up/down; proper ball-roll (aka what we used to know as heel-tow) blipping on downshifts.
    -I did all of my track driving in with the manual except for one run where I drove their automatic. The manual, while the clutch required a bit more pressure than my Porsche’s, was exceptionally good. In all of the driving I only missed a shift once. After demonstrating that I could do the proper ball-roll technique I used the rev match which is truly amazing.
    -The condos you stay in are extremely nice and well equipped: full refrig, microway, small 2 burner stove, dishwasher, etc.
    -Two in our group had their wives who are invited by the instructors to participate in every session except one, as a ride along in their car. From what I could see they were made to feel very welcome.

    Here is an abbreviated schedule of the two days:
    1st day: instruction and hands on experience in ABS, ball-roll (heel/toe), intro to apex and course management, wet skid pad figure 8s, full vision scanning, and more apex training. You had a lead follow set up of 1 instructor for 4 cars in the morning and 1:1 in the afternoon. In the lead follow the instructors are uncanny in their ability to drive a darn near perfect line at speed while watching you in their mirrors and giving each person specific (by you name) live feedback on what they were doing right and missing (for example, too far from the apex, too slow through the start of the turn, not trail braking, not fast enough after the unwind of the turn etc.)

    2nd day: Almost all track. Started with ball-roll emphasis in a lead follow, faster speeds and emphasis on hitting the apex, brake and trail brake exercises, throttle steer and a 1:1 ride along. During the ride along they said they were only driving at about 50% with in most cases was at least 2 to 3 times faster than we ever drove! The last session in the class room went into the different mode setting and what they did, also discussed briefly the differences between the auto and manual Z51s and base models.

    The class room time was relatively short in between the tract times (and if nothing else gave you a chance to recover).

    Had a great time with the other participants including Area 473, razrx, Chipking and jagamajajaran. Jag was kind enough to take a couple of Go Pro MP4s of me that I will post at some point.
    aka Jeff
    'RedHot' Prod.Wk 7 Oct '13 Museum Del. 29 Oct '13
    Torch Red, 2LT Adrenaline Red, AutoTrans., Nav., Perf. Exhaust, Transparent panel, Red Brembos, CQuartz Finest
    Contributing Member of the National Corvette Museum

  12. #11
    Senior Member Chip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Ashland Va.
    Posts
    4,607
    Member #
    84
    Liked
    1835 times
    Nice...Thanks for the report!




  13. #12
    Super Moderator
    Gold Supporting Member
    jsvette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Vegas
    Mileage
    19k+
    Posts
    14,624
    Member #
    313
    Liked
    10493 times
    Quote Originally Posted by Racerbob View Post
    Was there any mention of oil ingestion or coking?
    I specifically asked at two different occasions and the reply was no ingestion issues, these C7s are pretty much bullet proof.
    aka Jeff
    'RedHot' Prod.Wk 7 Oct '13 Museum Del. 29 Oct '13
    Torch Red, 2LT Adrenaline Red, AutoTrans., Nav., Perf. Exhaust, Transparent panel, Red Brembos, CQuartz Finest
    Contributing Member of the National Corvette Museum

  14. #13
    Senior Member rdslon01's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Charlotte Metro Area, North Carolina
    Mileage
    3559 as of September 4, 2016.
    Posts
    10,133
    Member #
    1658
    Liked
    6029 times
    Quote Originally Posted by jsvette View Post
    I specifically asked at two different occasions and the reply was no ingestion issues, these C7s are pretty much bullet proof.
    For the ingestion issue with coking on the valves, I wonder if they have ever actually taken one apart to see.

    For the oil overfilled and showing up in the air box issue, this they should definitely know (since they should have a visible oil leak if they get too much in their air box). So, I would assume from their response to you that this has not occurred for them. Do you happen to know at what oil levels they keep in their Z51s?
    Rodney and C.A.R.O.L.I.N.E. (Candy Apple Red, Outrageously Lovely, Incredibly Nimble Entertainment)

    C.A.R.O.L.I.N.E. is a 2016 Long Beach Red, 3LZ, Stage 1, Z06 Coupe with an Automatic 8-speed transmission, the Spice Red Design Package, Competition Seats, a Carbon Flash Hood Stinger, and a Body-Colored Dual Roof Package. She has SunTek paint protective film installed on every painted surface other than on some of the vents' and grille's slats, G3 Carbon's "G3-O7" side skirts, GM StingRay Red Tail Lights, GM Rear Splash Guards from Trunk Monkey, ACS Composite Enhanced Front Wheel Mudflaps from West Coast Corvette, and her mufflers painted with POR15 Aluminum high temperature paint.

  15. #14
    Super Moderator
    Gold Supporting Member
    jsvette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Vegas
    Mileage
    19k+
    Posts
    14,624
    Member #
    313
    Liked
    10493 times
    No I don't know what level they maintain the oil at in their Z51 Stingrays. All I know is what I reported Rodney. I specifically asked and they said they have not had any oil injection issues. They stay right on top of these cars with any maintenance concerns.

    I'd like to keep this thread pretty much focused on post Ron Fellows discussions. Let's move any further oil ingestion comments to the other existing threads. Thank you.
    Last edited by jsvette; 06-12-2014 at 06:28 PM.
    aka Jeff
    'RedHot' Prod.Wk 7 Oct '13 Museum Del. 29 Oct '13
    Torch Red, 2LT Adrenaline Red, AutoTrans., Nav., Perf. Exhaust, Transparent panel, Red Brembos, CQuartz Finest
    Contributing Member of the National Corvette Museum

  16. #15
    Junior Member VETJAZZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Maricopa, AZ
    Mileage
    3000
    Posts
    15
    Member #
    2555
    Liked
    15 times
    An amazing experience and 1st class all the way. Here's the June 4-6 class.

    M&LStingray Coupe likes this.

Page 1 of 33 12311 ... LastLast

Sponsored Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Search tags for this page

amazon

,
news
Click on a term to search for related topics.
 

SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.