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When all is said and done, how many orders for 2014 Stingrays will still be at 1100 status when production wraps up for the model year?

Seems to me there will be many thousands who ordered but will not get one. The situation is only made worse by the price increase. Changing dealers at this point will raise the price by as much as $4000+. To make matters worse the 2015s will likely be several $K more.

In the long run GM is going to lose quite a few sales.


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Honestly, I think the number is closer to hundreds, not thousands but to your point, there will certainly be some people left out in the cold and honestly, I blame the dealers, not GM. Most of the people struck at 1100 are there because the dealer took their order knowing full well they didn't have allocation and out right lied to the customer to get their order in the books.


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Could it even get to 1100 if the dealer had no allocation?
 

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That is why they are stuck at 1100. The order has been entered in the system but the order can go no further until the dealer has an allocation.


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My 3LT/Z51 order has been stuck at 1100 since 02/10. My dealer is telling me that they have the allocations and showed this to me on their computer system. Since then they've gotten a half dozen or so non Z51 assignments but not a single Z51. I am not sure what is going on. According to the Constraints thread on this forum, Z51 is only at 50% and has been that way for weeks!

Why do some dealerships have no problem getting Z51 orders placed and others see nothing?

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I had the same thing told to me! I placed my order in between Christmas & New Years, & I was still at the 1100 mark. When I went in to talk to them they said I was looking at maybe October - November for my delivery & it would probably be a 2015 with the price increase as well, but no guarantee on those months as a delivery! Boo! So I went looking for inventory in my area, & found one with everything on it that I wanted, & a few more items that I didn't order, but she is beautiful & I'm enjoying her now!! CGM, 3 LT Kalahari int., Carbon Fiber Dash, Visible Carbon Fiber Roof(which looks very sweet!), Chrome Rims, Per. Exhaust, Micro Fiber Interior Pkg(Which really helps with a quiet ride), Automatic. I'm glad I decided to get it, due to the constraints & the overwhelming amount of people ordering them, no one seems to know when they will receive their order either, which is a bummer! I hope you won't have to wait to long.
 

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Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad dealers out there that are making people doubt the good dealers too. I placed my order November 15th for my Z51 convertible and stayed at 1100 for 3.5 months. After reading everything that people posted on here about "if you are still at 1100, your dealer must not really have an allocation and they are lying to you," I started to believe it. I could not understand how it could take so long to move forward otherwise. I knew I was first in line for a convertible at a phase one dealer, but still could not explain how it could possible take this long. I called CAC, I wrote emails, I complained constantly, then, out of no where, 2.5 weeks ago, I get a call from NCM asking how I want my BV4 plaque to read...I finally made it to 3000.

GM's allocation process even to phase 1 dealers was definitely skewed, big time. The big dealers are getting more and more allocations week after week while many small dealers are still waiting for there #1 or #2. I know there are some out there who are being lied to about allocations, but I am sure there are also many who are being told the truth and they unfortunately just have to wait until GM gives the dealer the allocation. It is often very hard to differentiate. I am sure there is some master calendar out there listing when each dealer will get which allocation, but I think that is guarded more tightly then the nuclear launch codes.

To those still at 1100, there is still hope. Yes, you can order from one of the big dealers now and get even a z51 convertible allocation within 2 weeks, but unfortunately the price increase makes that decision more difficult. Remember, GM told each dealer what their initial allocation totals would be. If they divided out ALL of the 20,000 + cars being built this year and every dealer took a deposit for each of those allocations, that means someone's car would still be built in August/September.

Baitzeem - I would just make sure that the "half dozen or so" allocations they have received already do not max out the total number of allocations the dealer was promised. My understanding of the process is that if a dealer was given 5 total allocations and you are #1 with a Z51 package that you are not willing to give up, and they get 5 non-Z51 allocations first....you might just be knocked out of line.

Sorry for the length of the post and the stream of consciousness. I have been up for 24 hours so I hope it is coherent.

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Does anyone know when production stops for 2014 z51 c7?
And yes...it's 3 in the morning!



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Friday, August 8, 2014 will be the last day Bowling Green makes the 2014. The 2015 will start production three days later on Monday.
 

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I placed my order last month for my Z51. It was the dealers last allotment. Since then I've been reading this forum. The more I read the less I think I'll be getting the car I want. I'm Canadian so I can't go to one of the big dealers to get my car. I called GM today, they have no information about my build date. "Call back in two weeks".
Till the end of the month I can order a ZL1 Camaro and get 0% financing and $1500 of the MSRP for already owning a Chevy HHR. It is already so well equipped.
If I pass on the Camaro and find out later that I can't get the vette, I'll be so pissed at GM.
 

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Friday, August 8, 2014 will be the last day Bowling Green makes the 2014. The 2015 will start production three days later on Monday.
Better question would be, When will be the last day of 2014 allocations/the final day that they START production of a 2014 car order? How many days/weeks prior to that August 8 date?
 

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Better question would be, When will be the last day of 2014 allocations/the final day that they START production of a 2014 car order? How many days/weeks prior to that August 8 date?
It would probably be 36 days before that. I am not 100% sure, but that is my best guess based on present trends. Maybe someone else would know for sure.
 

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Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad dealers out there that are making people doubt the good dealers too. I placed my order November 15th for my Z51 convertible and stayed at 1100 for 3.5 months. After reading everything that people posted on here about "if you are still at 1100, your dealer must not really have an allocation and they are lying to you," I started to believe it. I could not understand how it could take so long to move forward otherwise. I knew I was first in line for a convertible at a phase one dealer, but still could not explain how it could possible take this long. I called CAC, I wrote emails, I complained constantly, then, out of no where, 2.5 weeks ago, I get a call from NCM asking how I want my BV4 plaque to read...I finally made it to 3000.

GM's allocation process even to phase 1 dealers was definitely skewed, big time. The big dealers are getting more and more allocations week after week while many small dealers are still waiting for there #1 or #2. I know there are some out there who are being lied to about allocations, but I am sure there are also many who are being told the truth and they unfortunately just have to wait until GM gives the dealer the allocation. It is often very hard to differentiate. I am sure there is some master calendar out there listing when each dealer will get which allocation, but I think that is guarded more tightly then the nuclear launch codes.

To those still at 1100, there is still hope. Yes, you can order from one of the big dealers now and get even a z51 convertible allocation within 2 weeks, but unfortunately the price increase makes that decision more difficult. Remember, GM told each dealer what their initial allocation totals would be. If they divided out ALL of the 20,000 + cars being built this year and every dealer took a deposit for each of those allocations, that means someone's car would still be built in August/September.

Baitzeem - I would just make sure that the "half dozen or so" allocations they have received already do not max out the total number of allocations the dealer was promised. My understanding of the process is that if a dealer was given 5 total allocations and you are #1 with a Z51 package that you are not willing to give up, and they get 5 non-Z51 allocations first....you might just be knocked out of line.

Sorry for the length of the post and the stream of consciousness. I have been up for 24 hours so I hope it is coherent.

Tony
Hello TonyC7,

Thank you for responding to my post. You hit the nail squarely on the head.

I scour this forum for any information that could provide me insight into when and if I can expect delivery of my C7 Z51 vert. The posts about dealers that are liars and "super" dealers which can get a Z51 assignment in an unfairly short period of time makes me doubt my decision to stay put and not overnight a check to one of these dealers to place a new order. The only 2 reasons I have not done so yet are I don't want to pay the price increase and my dealer is a mensh (a nice guy) whom I trust and like working with.

I really appreciate you sharing your situation. It gives me a feeling I've made the right decision. Do you believe that calling customer service made a difference? When do you expect to take delivery?
 

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Hello TonyC7,

Thank you for responding to my post. You hit the nail squarely on the head.

I scour this forum for any information that could provide me insight into when and if I can expect delivery of my C7 Z51 vert. The posts about dealers that are liars and "super" dealers which can get a Z51 assignment in an unfairly short period of time makes me doubt my decision to stay put and not overnight a check to one of these dealers to place a new order. The only 2 reasons I have not done so yet are I don't want to pay the price increase and my dealer is a mensh (a nice guy) whom I trust and like working with.

I really appreciate you sharing your situation. It gives me a feeling I've made the right decision. Do you believe that calling customer service made a difference? When do you expect to take delivery?

Baitzeem,

I was exactly in that position. I honestly think that calling customer service did nothing by aggravate me. I have posted several times about what I was told from CAC ("Congratulations your order has been picked up" only to find out several hours or days later that I was still at 1100). I even sent an email to Mary Berra, which actually triggered a return call from the Executive Relations department. That lady was very understanding and helpful, but ultimately the only final information she could give me after reaching out to multiple departments was that the Z51 was at 50% constraint. My dealer also reached out to the regional Stingray rep multiple times for me. Nothing seemed like it helped until one day when I found out I was at 3000. Maybe all the poking did something, or maybe it was just a fluke.


Is it other people's experience that status only seems to change towards the end of the week?
From my (limited) understanding of the system is that the dealers are told their allocations on Thursday and they have until Tuesday to fill them. If your dealer gets allocation on Thursday, you should be at 2000 status by Monday or Tuesday. Mine still confuses me, as my dealer called me on Friday and told me the only allocation they had that week was for a non-Z51 (which I declined), but less then a week later I was at 3000.

You can def get a car from one of the bigger dealers very quickly. I have posted (argued?) on here about my reservations about that, but the bottom line is, if you want a car quickly, that's the way to do it. Granted the decision now is harder because of the price increase though.

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Baitzeem,

Maybe all the poking did something, or maybe it was just a fluke.

From my (limited) understanding of the system is that the dealers are told their allocations on Thursday and they have until Tuesday to fill them. If your dealer gets allocation on Thursday, you should be at 2000 status by Monday or Tuesday. Mine still confuses me, as my dealer called me on Friday and told me the only allocation they had that week was for a non-Z51 (which I declined), but less then a week later I was at 3000.

Tony
Tony,

It was almost surely a fluke. GM is huge, and you can't get that needle to move until it is going to move anyway. Even the general manager at a large dealership with a great relationship with their regional sales representative, and over 30 Z51 deposits in line at their dealership, can't get their allocations - allocations already designated for them to arrive at some point - to arrive any faster than the rate at which the allocations were going to come anyway.

You should be at 2000 the next Tuesday. Orders get finalized on Monday, and GM picks them up Tuesday morning.

I would be willing to bet when your dealer called you and asked you to switch from Z51 to base, he had two allocations: one base and one Z51. He was fishing trying to get you to switch to base, then he would have given the Z51 to the next guy waiting in the Z51 line. If he had been successful getting you to switch, he could have fulfilled two orders from his Z51 waiting list instead of just one. When you declined, he went ahead and gave the Z51 to you since he saw you were dead serious. At least, that is what I would expect actually happened.
 

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Tony,

It was almost surely a fluke. GM is huge, and you can't get that needle to move until it is going to move anyway. Even the general manager at a large dealership with a great relationship with their regional sales representative, and over 30 Z51 deposits in line at their dealership, can't get their allocations - allocations already designated for them to arrive at some point - to arrive any faster than the rate at which the allocations were going to come anyway.

You should be at 2000 the next Tuesday. Orders get finalized on Monday, and GM picks them up Tuesday morning.

I would be willing to bet when your dealer called you and asked you to switch from Z51 to base, he had two allocations: one base and one Z51. He was fishing trying to get you to switch to base, then he would have given the Z51 to the next guy waiting in the Z51 line. If he had been successful getting you to switch, he could have fulfilled two orders from his Z51 waiting list instead of just one. When you declined, he went ahead and gave the Z51 to you since he saw you were dead serious. At least, that is what I would expect actually happened.
I agree that it was a fluke. Just the most bizarre timeline. Especially 3 months without 1 allocation then 2 on 1 day. I'm not complaining, at least I finally received my allocation.

I am sorry and I know how much everyone loves to bad mouth small dealers on here, but considering my salesman is actually a very close friend of mine, I strongly doubt that I was being lied to about the allocation. Maybe I am being too naive, but to pull it off, they would have had to cancel my order, place a new order for me, and then let the second order go through for that to happen, all while lying to me and hoping that both cars did not arrive at the same time. Plus, the sales manager who called did not even give me a deadline about when to let him know if I wanted to change my order (obviously out of respect for #2, I did it right away).

As far as order codes, according to the workbench printout for my car, I was 2000 on that Monday, 3000 on Tuesday, and then 3300 the following Thursday. Not sure if that is the norm.

I do have to say one thing. For all of the discussion I have read (and been involved in as well) on here about small vs big dealers and small dealers lying while big dealers are like Gods, I just can't disagree more. Without going into detail, I have dealt with both sides during the trials and tribulations of my 3.5 month wait. The small dealer that will ultimately deliver my car was amazing, professional, and most of all HONEST. Unlike some of the bigger dealers, the sales manager at my dealer would return calls, respond to all of my emails quickly (usually same day), and would call every time he said he would. My dealer had the time to personally work with me because he was not overworked or too busy trying to handle several hundred other allocations. Yes, my car did not come as quickly as it would have otherwise, but it is coming and I think something needs to be said for the personal touch.

I know we all have our opinions and are entitled to them, but this is coming from my personal experience. Not all small dealers are lying and not all big dealers are perfect.

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I don't think anyone is saying that ALL small dealers are liars. I have never read that anywhere. But the way forums work is if you read five or six people that have had problems with local small dealers , everybody goes away thinking that all dealers are like that. And that's not the case. I had 2 dealerships in Fort Lauderdale be totally honest with me, that they couldn't get me the car anywhere near the timeframe of one of the big forum dealers. So it's just a matter of performance, and in this case the forum dealers excel, because they have the allocation and shoot straight...... it's that simple.
 

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I agree completely Glen. Some small dealers are bad (some big dealers are bad). We have all had good and bad experiences with both. I know I definitely exaggerated a bit with my ALL reference. My only concern is that when anything is said about someone waiting for delivery or even how in my case the allocation came unexpectedly, the immediate response seems to be, "You are being mislead." Having been in Baitzeem's position less than a month ago, it really starts to make you start to doubt everything you are being told and repeatedly makes you feel like you made a mistake placing the order with the person you did.

I just simply want to say that every experience is different, to provide encouragement to those stuck at 1100, and to support those who have ordered from a local dealer (for whatever reason) especially with the recent price increase making it more difficult to jump ship.
 
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