when I was at the dealer they had one silver sting ray and was asking 15 over. there were 7 guys looking at it not including me. Somewhat of a bidding war started amongst them and I just walked away from them. I found my sales person and told him I was there and ready to buy, and that I was willing to pay only "5" over window and I wanted to use their finance department and finance for 7 years. He haggled a bit more on the price and got him to agree to 2500 over and throw in window tinting. Then once in with the Finance man I was able to changes things around more to my liking. For instance I only financed for 4 years, not the 7, I had told salesperson. Also I was able to get another 2 thousand out of my trade in.after I was fairly happy with the new deal I SAID WHAT WOULD my deal look like IF I PUT 30 THOUSAND DOWN. He then said you don't really want to do that do you ? I said I might as well and I did just that. So I was able to get it at window sticker and free tinting