Stingray Corvette Forum banner

Status
Not open for further replies.
1 - 18 of 18 Posts

·
Senior Member
Joined
·
18,670 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
As of yesterday, Eldon Renaud, UAW Local 2164 President at the Bowling Green Assembly Plant no longer works at the Plant. Renaud was the Mayor of Bowling Green from 1996.


Here are two articles which provide the only information currently known.

bgdailynews said:
The president of United Auto Workers Local 2164 no longer has a job at the Bowling Green GM Assembly Plant. Eldon Renaud, who has been the local union president since 1982, does not work at the plant as of this week.

“I can confirm that he no longer works here,” said Andrea Hales, spokesperson for the plant.

Hales could not comment further because the plant does not speak about personnel matters. No one was available for comment at the union hall this morning.

On his Facebook page on Monday, Renaud, who could not be reached for comment today, posted: “I hope GM’s CEO Mary Barra has the fortitude to clean up GM’s weak management team. We can only build the cars GM engineers give us to build. Management needs the workers now more than ever to help catch problems before they become billion dollar recalls.”

A link to an Automotive News article about the recent GM recalls accompanied the post.
Renaud spoke with the Daily News in April when the union here voted to authorize a strike at the plant.
Renaud cited long overdue safety issues and the loss of several jobs in the plant’s quality area as the reason for the union’s disgruntlement with plant management.

The workers did not strike after negotiations with management.

Renaud also served as Bowling Green’s mayor from 1996 to 2000.
And this article.

wkyufm.org said:
Bowling Green UAW Leader Fired by GM

By WKU PUBLIC RADIO NEWS

Long-time United Auto Workers Union President Eldon Renaud is out at the Bowling Green General Motors Plant.

Spokeswoman Andrea Hales confirmed that Renaud is no longer employed at the plant. Renaud had no comment when contacted Thursday morning by WKU Public Radio. He served as the local UAW president since 1982 and had been a GM employee for more than 40 years.

Renaud had been critical of Plant Manager Dave Tatman, who resigned abruptly in February. In April, the union voted to authorize a strike if the plant didn’t resolve some safety and quality issues. A strike never occurred.
Former mayor departs from Corvette - News - Bowling Green Daily News

Bowling Green UAW Leader Fired by GM | WKU Public Radio
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
699 Posts
The last thing either side needs is to threaten the production of one of the most successful sports cars being produced in the United States. IMO

Michael
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,544 Posts
I wonder if he was fired for his comments he posted on Facebook. Those comments were not the most intelligent things someone could have written; nevertheless, I am definitely not a fan of someone getting fired for expressing their views, even if those views come from a somewhat skewed sense of reality.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,453 Posts
The better question is what kind of businessman puts anything on Social media about his profession/ business situation? I'd ask for his resignation just for that.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
283 Posts
Lets not jump to conclusions, as we are just outsiders catching the scraps that the media allows us to have.

While in that army, I spent a certain amount of time staring face to face with people who had a true hatred for myself and anyone who helped us, but it wasn't always the case while deployed to iraq/afgh. I saw a lot of honest hard working people that welcomed me and my team/soldiers with open arms, but you wouldn't always know that as the media would only release the negative sides of war. Soldiers would sometimes express their feelings on social media as to vent (unfortunately boasting at times) which was not right in either case, but it didn't mean they were poor examples of soldiers or needed to be relieved of their duties.

I'm not for or against this gentleman, but he must of been doing something right (good or bad) to be CEO of so long. Sometimes it isn't what you did wrong, it's what you brought to the light when others didn't want it to be.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
392 Posts
Companies have policies against posting things that are derogatory towards other company employees and the company itself.

So it sounds like he should have been fired for posting those comments.
 

·
Senior Member
Joined
·
18,670 Posts
Discussion Starter · #7 ·
There could be so much else that was or wasn't involved with his no longer working there. Tens of options as to why.

While WKU said he was fired, we probably will never know exactly what happened. Personally I am being cautious and not making any public conclusions as to what really occurred. Doubt we will ever know.

Previous BGAP Plant Manager Dave Tatman left quickly three and a half months ago, and we still do not know that fully story.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,453 Posts
Previous BGAP Plant Manager Dave Tatman left quickly three and a half months ago, and we still do not know that fully story.
This is what I'd really like to know.....but when both of them leave, there's a good story down there.....
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,544 Posts
I have spent many years of my life studying human behaviour. It is uncanny how accurately I can access someone from very little information.

In this case, if you discard 99% of what is out there on the internet on this subject, but very carefully pick up on a few bits of information which people disclose without ever realizing they are conveying it, you can piece enough of this story together to figure out the gist of what happened. He has been fired for cause, and that cause which GM stated to him in private has nothing to do with his Facebook posts, or anything else which he has said or written.

I am glad his statements were not the stated reason they fired him. I am also glad they found something else, something much more cut-and-dried, to fire him for. Also, based on this, the union workers will be much more likely to move on with their lives and with work, and not see GM as doing anything terribly wrong.

GM has some very smart people there...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,453 Posts
I have spent many years of my life studying human behaviour. It is uncanny how accurately I can access someone from very little information.

In this case, if you discard 99% of what is out there on the internet on this subject, but very carefully pick up on a few bits of information which people disclose without ever realizing they are conveying it, you can piece enough of this story together to figure out the gist of what happened. He has been fired for cause, and that cause which GM stated to him in private has nothing to do with his Facebook posts, or anything else which he has said or written.

I am glad his statements were not the stated reason they fired him. I am also glad they found something else, something much more cut-and-dried, to fire him for. Also, based on this, the union workers will be much more likely to move on with their lives and with work, and not see GM as doing anything terribly wrong.

GM has some very smart people there...

Wow....just wow...I'm speechless...how old are you?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,544 Posts
Companies have policies against posting things that are derogatory towards other company employees and the company itself.

So it sounds like he should have been fired for posting those comments.
Thank goodness, no, that wasn't why he was fired. If it had been, total chaos would have broken out among the rank and file union workers there. GM knew better than to do that. They found something way better, far beyond what could ever turn around and bite them in return.

My hat is off to you, GM. Well done.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,544 Posts
Wow....just wow...I'm speechless...how old are you?
39, but I spent about half of my life consciously analyzing everyone I came into contact with, trying to pick up on word choice, facial expressions, eye movement, responses to various stimuli, etc. I long ago called it adding to "the library". I quit actively trying to fill up more volumes some years ago after I got married. I didn't care about it so much after that.

Anyway, in this case, it was rather easy figuring out the gist after finding a certain message board in Bowling Green, and watching a television interview. On that message board, all of the posts may or may not be true: I have no idea whether to believe most of them or not. However, if you consider possible motives for certain posts, and the intelligence level those posting there appear to have, you will find this one person who is critical in piecing some of this together. Either this one guy posting there is a genius who is posing as a not-too-smart guy who wants you to conclude he works as a UAW employee at the BG plant without coming out and saying it, or he IS a UAW employee at the BG plant who, although is not dumb, is far from being a rocket scientist.

Anyway, this guy's statements imply he works at the factory, but he does not come out and say he works there (so, he probably really does work there). This individual's whole goal there on that thread isn't to take one side or the other, but rather to try to tell people to stay calm (which adds even more credibility). His posts are such that you can tell he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but he is not the dumbest, either. Therefore, he isn't going to be smart enough to concoct posts to erroneously lead someone like us to the conclusion we will eventually arrive at. On the other hand, he is smart enough to give the sage advice to essentially say, "Union brothers, don't say anything, let's not post about this here, let's wait and see if "this is all true or not.". Bingo. QED. So, GM fired Eldon for a stated reason that this guy will agree with, "if it turns out to be true." Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Data point #1. That says so much if you stop and think about all that implies (including, but not limited to, the fact that the "stated reason" for the firing is something he is not sure if Eldon really did or not). So, the reason for the firing could not be a post in the public domain where anyone could easily establish the fact it was written by just going and reading it.

The next point is someone who posted a rumor of what they said they heard was the reason Eldon was fired. It was outrageous. Yet, no one said, "Oh, that is not it! Stop the false rumors!" Our buddy above responded by essentially saying, "Stop this, we don't know if it is true or not." There is a big difference in someone saying, "Oh, stranger on the internet, stop spreading false rumors!" versus saying "We don't know if this is true or not, stop talking about it." That says our believable insider guy had ALREADY heard the same thing, probably from inside the plant, and wasn't denying that to be the big rumor. At any rate, the rumor isn't some simple little Facebook post about management.

Finally, there is a video of a local television station interviewing someone who works at the factory. This guy is not very intelligent at all based on how incoherent and illogical his statements are. That is fine, of course. He has something he wants to say, and he is entitled to that, if he can articulate it. Basically, he goes off on a tangent and does not stick to the topic at hand. Data point #2. (By the way, what does this say? It says a lot when he wants to talk about something else other than the subject). Anyway, after eventually finishing his tangent, he returns to the topic at hand and says something to the effect that he thinks GM should give Eldon a second chance because of how long Eldon had worked there (did he say 46 years?). Data point #3. You can bet your bottom dollar if Eldon had been fired for his Facebook comments, this guy would have been up in arms about wrongful termination and freedom of speech.

Okay, I am sure there are people who will read this post, think I am crazy, and not put all the pieces together. That is fine. I am crazy and have zero idea what I am talking about. There, I said it for you.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,453 Posts
Well, you know me Rodney, dont have the energy to figure out ANY of the stuff you wrote, but would be interested in one sentence as to why you think he got fired....

Just one....humor an old man....please...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,544 Posts
I am not going to spread rumors, rumors which I have no idea if true or not.

But, I will say I feel totally confident that GM did not fire him for anything he said or wrote. They fired him for a cause which leaves all but the most die-hard Eldon fan saying that, if the rumors are true, then GM did the right thing firing him.

Isn't that mostly what matters to everyone except Eldon?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,544 Posts
You see, that is the beauty of it. The only way GM could fire the guy and have essentially zero negative consequences to themselves is to patiently wait until they could find a reason that even the people in the plant who loved him could look at and say, "Yelp, I can understand them firing him for that." It just so happened they found such a reason and fired him this week. His Facebook posts earlier this week were just a coincidence.

The actual stated reason doesn't matter, as long as it a) is true, and b) is bad enough that the rank and file UAW could no longer support him after doing that (that is, no ill-will directed to GM for this firing). From what I can read on the boards and see in the video, GM did indeed find such a reason to fire him.

Glen, a P.M. is going your way with the rumor, but that rumor isn't the point. The point is above.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
115 Posts
Conclusion:
1. One smart guy fired (finally)
2. Just left dumb scared employees
3. Brilliant GM


Sent from my iPhone using Corvette Stingray Forum
 
1 - 18 of 18 Posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top