Stingray Corvette Forum banner

1 - 20 of 72 Posts

·
Senior Member
Joined
·
18,670 Posts
Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
Sorry, but the same allocation issue will remain for Z-51 buyers during the first part of the 2015 model year. EDIT/UPDATE: also for entire 2016 model year![/SIZE]

With the 2015 ordering window expected to "officially open" in one month (starting the June 26th consensus), and with the 2015 Order Guide released last Friday, everyone who has already placed a deposit on a 2015 Z-51, or is about to place an order with a specific dealer, please again closely review your dealer's 2014 Z-51 "delivery record," to insure you get your 2015 Z-51 before fall is over -- for Z-51's will be on restraint at least during the first third of 2015 (personally believe much longer than that). If you do not care when you get your Z-51 next year, or have already worked with a top allocation dealer on your 2015, ignore this thread.

Note that dealers' 2015 allocations (separate again next year for coupes versus convertibles) may be somewhat different than 2014 allocations, and the 2015 allocations are expected to be received by your dealership within the next 3 to 4 weeks. Nevertheless, how well your dealer did in delivering his 2014 Z-51 deposits, will give you significant information on how well your 2015 Z-51 order will progress.

Harlan Charles, Corvette Performance Marketing Manager, recently noted that in spite of all efforts, Z-51 production is only going to slowly increase, percentage point by percentage point. The problem remains supplier production capacity. As announced last month by Tadge Juechter, Executive Chief Corvette Engineer, to mitigate this, GM has invested millions into its Z-51 suppliers. Even so, the Z-51 constraints will be with us for a long, long time.

I expect that hundreds who placed a deposit on a of 2014 Z-51, will not get their 2014 Z-51 (lack of allocation)! Already know of one dealer who told three of their 2014 Z-51 customers that they will not be able to fill their orders, and consequently moved them to the beginning of their 2015 Z-51 prioritized list. Many other dealers will do exactly that. Or, they might tell you that they can get you a 2015 non Z-51 instead. Or might they will place unfilled 2014 Z-51 orders at the bottom of their already-existing 2015 Z-51 priority list?

My hardest part being a moderator on this forum continues to be experiencing "second-hand frustration," sometimes outright anger, of a member not getting their car in a timely manner, or worse yet, that happening because their dealer was not candid, forthright and honest about their allocation. I get at least two private messages every week about this exact situation, asking for help.

Please remember that there is an option to your being deceived, to your not getting your car in a timely manner. Every week I see a positive post and/or receive a positive PM from one of our members getting their car through MacMulkin Chevrolet, our forum's dealership supporting vendor -- who had a 1,000+ 2014 StingRay allocation and will absolutely be able to get you your 2015 Z-51 in a timely manner. In fact, over fifty-five (55) forum members have purchased their StingRay from MacMulkin -- and either have already relieved, or are soon to receive their StingRays.

If you are about to actually place your 2015 Z-51 deposit (or roughly a month from now, your actual order), and are choosing to instead go with another dealership, please, first, sit down with your salesperson, with his/her Sales Manager present, and get specific answers to the following questions, and as you ask these questions, remembering that there will again be separate 2015 coupe versus convertible allocation lists.

Mr. Dealer:

1). How many 2014 Z-51's have you actually received at this dealership, and how many additional Z-51's have you now in the 2014 ordering pipeline that are now "at least at status code 2000"?
2). How many 2014 Z-51 deposits did you take this year that are you not going to be able to transform into actual 2015 deliveries, and of those folks, are you going to move them to the "top of your 2015 priority list"?
3. Where would I be, after you have done that, in terms of the priority of my 2015 Z-51 coupe order (or my convertible order)?
4. If applicable: What assurance do I have as a new buyer from you, that if a repeat buyer comes in next week, that he/she will not jump ahead of me on the list?
5. Will you give me a written document stating that my deposit is fully refundable at any time, solely at my initiation, prior to my order being status 3000?

Having received the above information, you can start to roughly calculate when you will receive your 2015 Z-51, as in the following post.
 

·
Senior Member
Joined
·
18,670 Posts
Discussion Starter #2 (Edited)
Rough calculations: When might I receive my '15 Z-51?

Regarding the above, let us assume that your dealership you are contemplating placing a deposit with, actually has received or currently has "status code 2,000 or above," for a total of 24, 2014 Z-51 coupes. And, second, as a result of your initial dealership conversations, you learn that you are #10 on their 2015 Z-51 coupe list. At first glance, this would suggest that you would get your car about 5 months into the new year, and with dealership deliveries starting in September, you car might arrive approximately January.

However, four factors will change that rough estimate. First, starting within a few days (June 1st ), GM is increasing the BGAP daily production rate from 155 to 170 Corvettes (all models, Z-51's and otherwise). Second, whenever GM's introduces a new Corvette that has a performance option, the buyers during the first year are disproportionately skewed to the performance model. Thus, the number of 2015 Z-51 buyers will be less than '14 Z-51 buyers. Third, please remember that with initial 2015 deliveries of constrained vehicles (e.g. Z-51's), GM will again prioritize deliveries of constrained vehicles to "priority 1" dealerships, so if your dealership has a low number of allocations, their receipt of 2015 Z-51's might not be directly proportional to the number of months in the model year. Finally, the new ZF1 Appearance Package will ease the pressure, by some unknown amount, on Z-51 orders.

Putting these things together, you still might get your '15 Z-51 coupe approximately in December in this hypothetical example? Remembering the winter so many of you just endured, is that acceptable? If not, you always have the option of going MacMulkin or Kerbeck (forum sponsoring dealerships) or other extremely-high-allocation dealer, which, if you act now, would have a very high likelihood of delivering your 2015 Z-51 in around October? Perhaps even September?

There are tens of fellow forum members who initially decided this year to stay with their small local dealership, to "tough it out." A small number received their Z-51's in a timely manner. Good for you! Most however did not receive their Z-51 in a timely manner, many not getting it at all, and just last week got two more PM's from folks saying that if they had it to do all over again, they would/should have left their smaller allocation dealer immediately. The first 2015's will not arrive in dealerships until approximately 3 1/2 months (September 10th) -- due to an expected 2-4 week BGAP initial quality hold on all 2015's. How much longer than that are you willing to wait, or do you want to make a choice right now to maximize your getting your '15 Z-51 next fall?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,453 Posts
It certainly is frustrating to watch somebody come on here and complain he can't get the car local. We then suggest some that can get the car and the writer then DEFENDS the dealer that is jacking him around, almost like a Stockholm Syndrome thing. In general, If you don't have a 2000 code in a month, move on. Get to a forum dealer and get a car. Take up the rights and wrongs of the allocation system after you're sitting in your car.

That being said, except for the true track junkies and the testosterone wanna bes, I think the '15 z51 demand will drop considerably, as the ZF1 option gets you the look. And the forum dealers have said in more than one post that a full 50% of their z51 orders were for the wheels.GM knew that, and if the ediff is the hard part to get, (my guess) , the wheels were easy.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,420 Posts
I don't know, Glen. I like freedom: freedom to go where you want to go, freedom to complain about your choices when it doesn't work out, your freedom to want them to shut up, and my freedom to say I want them to be free to complain.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,453 Posts
I don't know, Glen. I like freedom: freedom to go where you want to go, freedom to complain about your choices when it doesn't work out, your freedom to want them to shut up, and my freedom to say I want them to be free to complain.
The point is go get the car and then start bitching.....
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,420 Posts
I think the '15 z51 demand will drop considerably, as the ZF1 option gets you the look. And the forum dealers have said in more than one post that a full 50% of their z51 orders were for the wheels.GM knew that, and if the ediff is the hard part to get, (my guess) , the wheels were easy.
I do think that is the intent of the ZF1 package: help ease the demand on the Z51. However, what I do not understand is why that ZF1 package is not also available for the chrome wheels.

I am one of those people who will never track the car, but loves the Z51 appearance. But I want it with chrome wheels. So, unless I am missing something, the ZF1 will not work for me to pull me off Z51 because the chrome wheels will keep me stuck to Z51.

Hum...
 
  • Like
Reactions: 55tireman and Hawk

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,656 Posts
I don't know, Glen. I like freedom: freedom to go where you want to go, freedom to complain about your choices when it doesn't work out, your freedom to want them to shut up, and my freedom to say I want them to be free to complain.
Why does this sound remarkable similar to Einstein's quote, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,166 Posts
So I wonder in the future how many used cars with the ZF1 package will be sold as Z51 cars?

For the future buyers will need to be aware!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,204 Posts
I agree with the idea of going to a large dealer and GET the car you want.
I was one of the lucky ones that got his Z51 from a small dealer up here in Canada. The way the system works isn't right, you're not going to fix it. Just go to a big dealer and get your car now. Start enjoying it!
 
  • Like
Reactions: U.S. Marine

·
Registered
Joined
·
184 Posts
I do think that is the intent of the ZF1 package: help ease the demand on the Z51. However, what I do not understand is why that ZF1 package is not also available for the chrome wheels.

I am one of those people who will never track the car, but loves the Z51 appearance. But I want it with chrome wheels. So, unless I am missing something, the ZF1 will not work for me to pull me off Z51 because the chrome wheels will keep me stuck to Z51.

Hum...
Agree on the chrome wheels, looked at the Z51 appearance package and was surprised that they weren't offered. Maybe chrome wheels aren't in vogue like they used to be but considering the age group that most often buys this car they should be. Particularly given the appeal to that same group that might not want a track car but wants the appearance package. Just makes sense. I think the Z51 appearance package if priced right could remove a lot of demand that might otherwise be ordering the Z51 itself. I certainly would have ordered it had they provided a chrome wheel package and it was available when I finalized my order. I have no interest in putting a my car on the track but like the look. I did order the optional spoiler to match the color of the car as a add on.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
101 Posts
I do think that is the intent of the ZF1 package: help ease the demand on the Z51. However, what I do not understand is why that ZF1 package is not also available for the chrome wheels.

I am one of those people who will never track the car, but loves the Z51 appearance. But I want it with chrome wheels. So, unless I am missing something, the ZF1 will not work for me to pull me off Z51 because the chrome wheels will keep me stuck to Z51.

Hum...
I'm with Rodney on this one. I, too, like the double-spoke chrome wheels on the Z51 and do not understand why they are not available as an option without the Z51 performance package on the 2015. I will not track my car and really don't need the Z51 performance. However, the Z51 "look" makes the base coupe less attractive to me. Sure, you can add the Z spoiler, but you still don't have the larger slotted rotors and wheels/tires combo. The Z51 just looks mean in a great way.

I'm one of those that ordered late in the game. My salesman and his regional manager said that I should have a vehicle. But I now hear that they are out of allocation, even though they are a top 5 dealer. My salesman has been vague lately in providing me some answers. I've heard through the grapevine that they are banking on smaller dealerships that didn't use up their allocation. It's a wait-and-see game at this point. I'm really not thrilled that the 2015 will probably see a price increase without the additional options being added on.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,922 Posts
"GM is increasing the BGAP daily production rate from 155 to 170 Corvettes" even so we need to keep in mind that for 2015 they are adding Z06 coupes and convertibles to the line. So taking this into consideration you could say the volume of Stingray's being build will not increase but might even decrease depending on how many Z06's go down the line each day.

We also all know it's hard to predict the future, we very well might see restraints again on Z51's, on the other hand we will eventually hit some saturation point for these cars as well the only question is when?

Last point, the Z51 suppliers, are they doing anything to increase production or is it status quo? Or will GM find a second source? Only time will tell.....
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
117 Posts
If it wasn't for this forum that I joined last October and the education I received in short order I would still be waiting for my Z51 or may not have had one at all. I ordered my car from a local dealer in August 5th and jumped ship when there were all the constraints on the options I ordered and got Lucky when a large dealer had the car I wanted color options etc. I found that car on the forum posted by the dealer scooped it up because someone backed out at the last moment. Had to wait a week for the car to arrive and picked it up on Oct. 24th. Knowledge is power. I was fortunate and didn't hesitate one second to cancel my order with the dealer because he didn't know or wasn't up front about the constraints and the realistic timeline I would really get my car. To anyone thinking about getting a 2015 I would tell them go to the big dealers. This car isn't worth waiting for it's worth having NOW!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,656 Posts
So I wonder in the future how many used cars with the ZF1 package will be sold as Z51 cars?

For the future buyers will need to be aware!
Carfax or any other system will decode the VIN, if the 5th digit isn't:

.. G=Z51 1LT M/T
.. H=Z51 1LT A/T
.. J=Z51 2LT M/T
.. K=Z51 2LT A/T
.. L=Z51 3LT M/T
.. M=Z51 3LT A/T

It's not a Z51. I imagine this will carry over to 2015.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,166 Posts
Carfax or any other system will decode the VIN, if the 5th digit isn't:

.. G=Z51 1LT M/T
.. H=Z51 1LT A/T
.. J=Z51 2LT M/T
.. K=Z51 2LT A/T
.. L=Z51 3LT M/T
.. M=Z51 3LT A/T

It's not a Z51. I imagine this will carry over to 2015.
I agree a smart buyer will know to look for the proper letter in the vin#, but how many won't know that and be fooled by an unscrupulous seller into thinking they have a Z51 when they don't?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,420 Posts
Can't we just take a quick peek under the rear of the car to see if the tranny and differential coolers plus hoses are there? I would never have the VIN letters memorized, but the other I could remember to do.

By the way, I think it is cool that Mark knows how to decode all the letters for the Corvettes' VINs. Where is the Corvette-specific VIN decoder, Mark? I know you said Carfax, but do they have it listed out, or you just have to put in various VINs to see what you get?

UPDATE: Okay, Google is my friend. I found it on another site.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,656 Posts
just look at the air dams - that's not gonna change....the z51 has no middle dam...
There's a lot of things that are easy to spot like the brake rotors and dry sump without ever getting under the car but to the point, a buyer 5 years down the road may have no idea. Then again, this is nothing new. If you don't get educated then expect to be taken advantage of. Life ain't fair......


Sent from my iPad using Corvette Stingray Forum
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
144 Posts
elegant

Hey elegant,
Are the Big 3 getting a couple more weeks of additional 2014 Allocations still, or is it done as of last week?:confused:
Bill
 
1 - 20 of 72 Posts
Top