[Rkbour]

It seems clear that after paying to upgrade to Napa leather with 3LZ, if you further pay to upgrade to competition seats, you then automatically downgrade the seat back to Mulan leather. Three questions:

1) Does anyone know why they aren't putting Napa on the competition seats? Is it some performance thing?
2) Is this leather issue influencing anyone to either stick with the GT seats or to go competition but stick with the 2LZ package?
3) With suede inserts the order guide says GT/Competition seats get "leather" but doesn't specify type. I assume it would be Napa on a 3LZ GT seat and Mulan on a 3LZ Comp seat. Does that sound right?

Thanks all,
Rob

 

[Derbo2]

I would really like to know the answer to your questions too . It appears to me that you're correct about the Comp seats but hope that someone in the know can confirm it. Great questions on your first post!

Derik

 

[rdslon01]

For question #2, yes, that is definitely a contributing factor.

 

[SwisStingray]

It seems clear that after paying to upgrade to Napa leather with 3LTZ, if you further pay to upgrade to competition seats, you then automatically downgrade the seat back to Mulan leather. Three questions:

1) Does anyone know why they aren't putting Napa on the competition seats? Is it some performance thing?
2) Is this leather issue influencing anyone to either stick with the GT seats or to go competition but stick with the 2LZ package?
3) With suede inserts the order guide says GT/Competition seats get "leather" but doesn't specify type. I assume it would be Napa on a 3LZ GT seat and Mulan on a 3LZ Comp seat. Does that sound right?

Thanks all,
Rob

If this information is confirmed, it's a bad new for me as I plan to order the 3LT with Competition seats....

Beside that, what about this option's description by GM ? I re-read the option list and GM write only that the 3LT is with Nappa leather equipped (without precision regarding Comp. seats) which is naturally understood as all the leather is a Nappa one !

I don't take care to have Nappa leather on the dashboard and the doors as that doesn't change anything to have Mulan or Nappa for that and I am not going to take advantage of the Nappa type flexibility by putting my buttocks on the dashboard or on the doors dressings !!!!

Last but not least, what about the possibility of action of the customers deceived against GM?

 

[SwisStingray]

434 views and no more comments... It seems that this "particularity" doesn't hurt you.

GM has no concerns to be made, there is a lot of margin until the customers move a little to make things change... That will not prevent me from asking for a written confirmation of what is actually delivered and, where necessary, to require a modification of the characteristics announced in the price-lists of my country.

 

[elegant]

Every car company reserves the right to change specifications without notice. It is in the fine print of very brochure, etc.

Perhaps there is a very positive reason why GM is using Mulan leather for the comp seats (and still looking for confirmation of the comp seats use only Mulan leather), but even with confirmation later, perhaps as Napa leather is described as "buttery smooth," it is just too slippery for a competition/racing seat, and thus that GM specifically choose Mulan for the comp seats to keep one's body from sliding inside the seat -- something that would be horrible for a racing seat.

Note please, that GM did wear and abrasion resistance testing specifically to compare those two characteristics for Napa versus Mulan, prior to deciding to proceed to offer both seats in the C7, and have since publicly stated that both meet the same wear and resistance standards.

 

[rdslon01]

As far as I know, competition seats have never had Napa leather in 2014 or 2015, and this was clear from the ordering guide (if my poor memory serves me well - which is a big, big, big *if* as I get older). If it is in the order guide, they have done nothing wrong as it was clearly laid out as being such.

I will see if I can find it in the order guide now...

 

[rdslon01]

Okay, it was true for the 2014's, and was in the 2014 order guide. My memory is getting bad, but it isn't gone just yet.

Model Information - Online Ordering Guide

I am pretty sure it is still the same way for 2015. 3LT + competition seats = mulan leather on the seats, but Napa on the other leather surfaces (dash, console cover, doors, et cetera).

 

[Redc7]

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/docs/2014-Corvette-Order-Guide.pdf

3LT GT buckets AQ9 Perforated Napa leather seating surfaces
3LT Competition Sport buckets AE4 Perforated Mulan leather seating surfaces
3LT GT / Competition Sport buckets AQ9/AE4 Leather seating surfaces with sueded microfiber inserts

 

[SwisStingray]

You are lucky as in our documents there is NOTHING about this specification, I have them in hands, those of 2014 and 2015... So you could understand my "surprise" and why I mean that it could be more honest to inform the customers from here.

Apart that I don't see any interest to use the Napa leather only as decorative leather if you choose 3LT with competition seats, it's not justified and cost too much for this us

We can also re-consider the overprice to pay for the competition seats with the 3LT :
it's the SAME amount to pay even if you choose them with 1LT, 2 LT (Mulan) or 3LT BUT you pay for full Napa leather including the seats in 3LT, so the overprice to pay for the Mulan competition seats in this case would have to be clearly less expensive...

 

[rdslon01]

SwisStingray, I understand all you are saying. You have valid points: the 3LT package should be discounted if competition seats are also added to the order (like IWE was discounted for convertibles).

I don't know if this will make you any happier or not, but after being in a 3LT and seeing and feeling the Napa on the dash and other areas, and after sitting in the competition seats, if I get a StingRay instead of Z06, I will knowingly get both 3LT and competition seats, even though I know what that means.

3LT is superb.
Competition seats provide the support I want and need.

However, it would be ideal if the competition seats could come with Napa, or the 3LT + competition seats came with the discount of the missing Napa leather on the seats, I agree.

 

[elegant]

Perhaps the competition seats would have been priced at an additional $2,295 originally, but when they decided to use the Mulan, they reduced their price to their $1,995 current price.

There is no comparability between option prices for either different cars, nor for different models of different cars. As one example Crystal Red Metallic is priced at $995 for a Corvette, yet for the larger Chevy Cruze, costs $350. Also TTV costs $100 for all StingRays and involves special carbon flash painting for two door mirrors and the spoiler, yet also costs $100 for the Z06 (yet all Z06's already come with all spoilers being black).

 

[SwisStingray]

So we are all right ! :roll eyes:

At least Rodney have understood me

John, your examples are showing that the manufacturers, GM in this case, are all but logical and have only one goal: the more you pay for a car the more they ask to pay for a comparable option and as there is no way to pass through: profit first... But it will not prevent you from considering that they take you for a good milk cow which can be milked at will !!
That always "pleases", no?

 

[racezx9]

I agree with you swiss stingray

Here's my whole issue with this situation and it goes to the core of integrity and honesty of doing business. If Chevy feel that this is how they want to conduct themselves then I will know what they are at the core.

The 3 LZ is an upgrade that cost 7000 dollars and with that you get the full NAPA leather package along with the PDR and Navigation with better sound system. That is the UPGRADE !!

The Comp Seat is an upgrade for 1995 and an extra $2595 upgrade to get it with Alcantera.

Both of these upgrades amounts to nearly $10,000.
I would choose these upgrade because of I want to get the full premium interior but, in that process Chevy decided that they will actually downgrade the material that I paid extra for specifically the 3LZ package. They could have lowered the cost of the Comp seat to make up for it or upgraded the leather to match to show integrity, but instead it seems that they feel they can "get away with it". I have no problem spending the money for what I want and I expect to get what I want, what can't stand is to be treated with dishonesty and a schmuck !!! that is the main issue that I have in this situation. Its like buying Z06 convertible and find out even though you check the Z06 box you don't get the supercharger with it.

 

[racezx9]

No offense it it sounds like you are making excuses for GM or the truth could be that they want to reduce their cost as much as possible while making as much money as possible by not fully disclosing the truth of what customers are getting....I absolutely hate when a company uses the fine print argument...that is just crap in my book. either the customer deserves to be treated fairly or not. Thefine print is just another way of saying ....SUCKERS too stupid to read the fine print and we got you !!

 

[SwisStingray]

We can turn and turn around those facts but in any case that will not change something.

You don't accept but you make "the round back" and sign as you want the car.
You don't accept and don't choose the competition seats... and you will regret that.
You don't accept and you don't sign the order...and you punish yourself as you'll regret to don't own the car.

My problem is that I am a guy who have a lot of principles and that is not compatible with certain commercial practices.