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“If you don’t already have your order into the dealer, it’s probably going to be later,” Jeuchter added.
Question if GM is not accepting Vert/A8 orders yet, although I gave my order to my dealer and they have a Z06 allocation, will I get a 2015 or waiting to 2016?
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Those numbers are incredible! As if the wait until next spring wasn't going to feel long enough as it was!
 

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“If you don’t already have your order into the dealer, it’s probably going to be later,” Jeuchter added.
Question if GM is not accepting Vert/A8 orders yet, although I gave my order to my dealer and they have a Z06 allocation, will I get a 2015 or waiting to 2016?
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You need more information than that to know.

You need to know:
1) your dealer's total allocation for 2015, AND
2) how many of those allocations have already been released to him in a previous consensus and matched with another person's order, AND
3) what position you are presently in on his internal order list.

Even with all of that, you still may not be able to answer your question, because we don't know how many more of your dealer's allocations may get released to him before the A8 and convertible become orderable.
 

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I planned on getting a vert, but I got tired of waiting so I switched my order over to a coupe, and I'm at 3000 like many of you.:) I'm not sure what Tadge is saying with more orders than they can build. Isn't it controlled by available allocations, per GM? Also I heard that there were still many open allocations for the 7 speed, as most were waiting for the "faster" 8 speed.
 

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These are astonishing performance numbers for a car out of the box or any car. What is so incredible is how high the differential gearing is for the automatic to be able to reach these numbers. I know the extra transmission gears has provided great flexibility to achieve this, but these are still incredible numbers. I held out for the A8, but was concerned that sans the twin clutch it would not shift fast enough to achieve this. I am so glad I was wrong. This is going to make the wait even more difficult.

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Indeed they are quite impressive... the performance numbers are literally at or above exotic-car territory levels for nearly every parameter. As for the 1/4 mile time... I wouldn't be surprised if the very high 10's/low 11's GM released are a tad on the conservative side. Once these all stock Z06/Z07 beasts are in the hands of experienced testers and private owners, I wouldn't be again surprised if the times dip down into the middle echelon of 10-secs. especially in ideal conditions... for a bone stock Corvette!
 

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Thumbs up chevy! for beating the exotics car. 2.95sec 0-60! great performance, even bested the new Lamborghini Asterion 910hp 0-60 in 3sec. Think of a 79k car beating 100k+ car in every aspect. The dodge challenger and charger is also doing a great job in terms of performance.
 

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Thumbs up chevy! for beating the exotics car. 2.95sec 0-60! great performance, even bested the new Lamborghini Asterion 910hp 0-60 in 3sec. Think of a 79k car beating 100k+ car in every aspect. The dodge challenger and charger is also doing a great job in terms of performance.
And I would bet those numbers are a little on the conservative side.:)
 

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I planned on getting a vert, but I got tired of waiting so I switched my order over to a coupe, and I'm at 3000 like many of you.:) I'm not sure what Tadge is saying with more orders than they can build. Isn't controlled by available allocations, per GM? Also I heard that there were still many open allocations for the 7 speed, as most were waiting for the "faster" 8 speed.
The amount of GM allocations is based on how many they can build with specific options; in other words, how many of each necessary part for each option can the suppliers' provide. Looking at the 2014 StingRay production/allocation/constraint history, the key issue is almost always supplier parts' capability. Same issue for building Z06's, how many parts can the suppliers make. Of course all this must be also evaluated also in terms of the incredible demand for the Z06.

In terms of your second issue, your hearing that there were unused 7-speed manual trans Z06 allocations. While it is true that overwhelmingly most orderers want an 8-speed, and there were dealers advertising/looking for 7-speed Z06 purchasers, by the end of the first consensus, nationwide, there were no unused 7-speed manual transmission allocations.
 

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Surprising dealers had to dig so deep to find buyers for all Z allocations. The huge demand for currently unavailable A8 transmissions seems to be the driving force behind this...but still surprising non-the-less. Maybe the Z will not be as crazy difficult to buy as many of us thought? We'll know as this plays out over the next few months. I wonder how many Z buyers are holding out for the vert? Fewer than for the A8 presumably...maybe way fewer.
 

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Thank you Rodney for the response to my post.
I will ask my local dealer those questions.
I can hold out for my Z06 3LZ S1 Vert.
Still have Pepper(62 Vert) & The Bucket(01 Vert) to keep us happy till the Rocket(Z06 3LZ S1 Vert) arrives.
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The amount of GM allocations is based on how many they can build with specific options; in other words, how many of each necessary part for each option can the suppliers' provide. Looking at the 2014 StingRay production/allocation/constraint history, the key issue is almost always supplier parts' capability. Same issue for building Z06's, how many parts can the suppliers make. Of course all this must be also evaluated also in terms of the incredible demand for the Z06.

In terms of your second issue, your hearing that there were unused 7-speed manual trans Z06 allocations. While it is true that overwhelmingly most orderers want an 8-speed, and there were dealers advertising/looking for 7-speed Z06 purchasers, by the end of the first consensus, nationwide, there were no unused 7-speed manual transmission allocations.
Thanks for replying. One point I would say, I'm questioning about the 5600 orders is there actually 5600 buyers in hand with cash/financing vs dealers putting in orders. Dealers can put in as many orders as they want, but how many allocations do they actually have and how many buyers orders meet their allocations(?). I just think there is a little PR going on, in creating a scarcity, which incites more purchases.

Not trying to complicate this press release on orders, just a little healthy skepticism. I hope the demand is that great for a 90k Corvette, as it can only look better for me, having gotten my order in early. I remember this The initial batch of 2013 SRT Vipers is sold out, Viper Roadster coming soon - Torque News. ;)
 

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To me, until the money changes hands, it is not sold!

Condominiums are famous for blurring the distinction. They start a reservation list, say x% are sold, raise the price, take more names, better hurry up, they are almost gone! One condo I know of was "sold out" doing this. Over five years later there are STILL units for sale...at deep discounts.
 

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Let us not forget that one year ago, some, especially on other forums, were advocating that the Z-51 StingRay's were being artificially constrained, that one should just wait until Janauary 1st (2014), Z-51 constraints would end, they would be heavily discounted, no more Z-51 constraints, yada, yada, yada. Those who waited, counted on that thesis, got burned on March 3rd with a $3,200 price increase. Now, one year later, Z-51's constraint is the worst it has been for many months

If Tadge says, we have 5,600 Z06 orders, they have 5,600 orders. He does not lie. Of course, as posted above, we do not know how firm they are. My suspicion is that no matter how many are "soft," they will not be able to build nearly enough 2015 Z06's to meet demand. Also as posted above, wait until the convertible and A8 constraints are removed!

Since we got the 2.95 seconds to 60 announcement this week, personally been contacted by two individuals who just decided to get a Z06, asked for my help. Think many who read the magazine reviews coming out soon and more will continue to jump on, add to demand.

Just like many 2014 Z-51 orderers would could not get a 2014, moved (not by their own choice to getting a 2015), same will happen to many, many, many who want a 2015 Z06, butforced to move to a 2016 Z06.
 

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If Tadge says, we have 5,600 Z06 orders, they have 5,600 orders. He does not lie. Of course, as posted above, we do not know how firm they are. My suspicion is that no matter how many are "soft," they will not be able to build nearly enough 2015 Z06's to meet demand. Also as posted above, wait until the convertible and A8 constraints are removed!

Since we got the 2.95 seconds to 60 announcement this week, personally been contacted by two individuals who just decided to get a Z06, asked for my help. Think many who read the magazine reviews coming out soon and more will continue to jump on, add to demand.

Just like many 2014 Z-51 orderers would could not get a 2014, moved (not by their own choice to getting a 2015), same will happen to many, many, many who want a 2015 Z06, butforced to move to a 2016 Z06.
Never a question of Juechter's veracity! I don't even know him personally. BG may have 5600 orders, but I nor anyone else knows with certainty if they have 5600 buyers (not dealers orders) behind those orders. If they do, that would be great! I do know GM is in the business of promoting car sales, as are all car manufacturers.
 

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I don't think anyone is accusing Tadge of lying. It is a matter of how these "orders" were generated. If, for example, a dealer entered the entire contents of their waitlist, or every verbal order from a customer with little to no skin in the game, into the system then the number of orders is way optimistic. How many of these orders are firm is anyone's guess...but I'll bet the farm that the count is optimistic.
 

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I think Joel has a point. As far as Tadge's statement, we have absolutely no idea where he received his numbers from or where they came from and I for one have no question of his unquestionable honest and integrity. The man is platinum as far as I'm concerned, but Joel has a point in that if the numbers might be coming from dealers lists of pre-sold customer orders or reserve lists, I understand there's often 30%-40% drop out rates, depending on the economy and a few other factors. So, all this is highly speculative and we've all gotten caught in heated discussions based on nothing more than speculation in the past..... Look at how we went at it with each other over the anticipated base price of the Z06? It'll be what it'll be and only time passing turning the topic into history will provide the true answer to our questions...
 

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Another thing is that if they only build less than 5,600 2015 Z06, then the math indicates that dealerships will not be getting the total allocations which GM has already notified them about. If you add those allocation numbers up, you get way more than 5,600 2015 Z06.

The only way this will be an issue is if GM hits some build problems and cannot build as many as they have already allocated to dealerships for model year 2015. In other words, if less than 5,600 get built, people like me who have been told that there is a 2015 allocation for them will not get one after all.
 

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