[mjw930]

Hey, is anybody on here aware of how this works, and whether we can use it on our C7 Nav Systems?

Chevy adopts a bring-your-own-maps approach to navigation

"Summary: If you want in-dash vehicle navigation in your GM car, you pretty much have one choice, OnStar. But in the fourth quarter Chevy is launching an alternative to OnStar called BringGo that makes use of in-car connectivity to meld smartphone and dashboard navigation."

Dated 9/7/2012, for spark and sonic.

Complete Link:
Chevy adopts a bring-your-own-maps approach to navigation ? Tech News and Analysis

Hate to ask stupid questions, but this would take care of a lot of problems. I see nothing like this in the manual, only reference is if you use OnStar to do it. Anybody know any thing about this?

GM Customer Service, what say you?

This is only enabled on their entry level cars where there is about a zero probability the buyer would pop $795 for the built in Nav. Eventually GM will either need to improve their Nav or bite the bullet and realize They need to partner with a real navigation company.


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[rohard]

This is only enabled on their entry level cars where there is about a zero probability the buyer would pop $795 for the built in Nav. Eventually GM will either need to improve their Nav or bite the bullet and realize They need to partner with a real navigation company.

Does this irritate anyone else as bad as it does me? My cars MSRP was $77,250, and has a navigations system that is worse than what I have on my 08 ZO6. To then find out that they i) have a way to put internet maps on MyLink, but do not do it on the "flagship" of the Chevrolet line, ii) spent a lot of time and effort to integrate OnStar into the Nav System, while DELETING useful features that they had on the earlier system, and iii) are going to force us (per Chevrolet Customer service) to do mapset updates through the dealer is poor corporate ethics to me. I have never kept OnStar after the trial period on any car I have ever had. When you drive a car 4 to 6 K per year, in the summer months, it just doesn't make sense.

I really think GM should do something about this, like make the BringGo available (for a reasonable price, $50 is what the article says). To leave us with this crappy Nav system (unless you want to pay $30/month of the OnStar directions package) is an insult to loyal Corvette owners (a lot of which are, as indicated in this thread, older non techies), The thought that they deleted features that were available in earlier GM Nav systems, and then advertised this as a significantly better system really is misleading to me. I already pay for an unlimited data plan on my IPhone, I don't need (or want) to pay another $30/month to make part of my $8,000 option package (3LT) work as good as a $200 portable GPS. (In full disclosure, the balance of the system is significantly better. However, EnAble (there form of "MyLink") has been on Toyota's since at least 2012, and has many more features.)

 

[c7eddie]

Does this irritate anyone else as bad as it does me? ...I don't need (or want) to pay another $30/month to make part of my $8,000 option package (3LT) work as good as a $200 portable GPS. (In full disclosure, the balance of the system is significantly better. However, EnAble (there form of "MyLink") has been on Toyota's since at least 2012, and has many more features.)

Yes, I am equally irritated.

UConnect 8.4, Dodge's form of "MyLink" that is in my $30K Journey SUV makes what we have look like it was designed 10 years ago. The lack of certain features and capabilities is hard to believe in our $70K plus "flagship" Corvettes.

..... and as I have noted in other threads, we need to understand that it's OK, because the official GM word is, "It is working as designed"

Apparently we are unreasonable in our expectations. I see no other explanation!

Ed

 

[rdslon01]

Rohard, I don't understand why you say that paying $30/month for the OnStar Directions and Connections package fixes anything. My wife had the one year free OnStar Directions and Connections package, and it did NOT fix:

1) inability of the OnStar app on the mobile phone to find all the addresses we entered (even though that same address could be found on the same mobile phone using Google Maps),

2) inability of the NAV system to know the difference between saying "left" and "right" (it sometimes got confused).

The bottom line is I think you might be much happier if you take the approach I plan on taking: tell yourself that you spent the money on the 3LT just for the leather, and that it was worth it; tell yourself the NAV does not exist on your car, or tell yourself that you got NAV included for free with the 3LT leather.

Otherwise, yes, I could see why this would upset you.

 

[rohard]

Rohard, I don't understand why you say that paying $30/month for the OnStar Directions and Connections package fixes anything. My wife had the one year free OnStar Directions and Connections package, and it did NOT fix:

1) inability of the OnStar app on the mobile phone to find all the addresses we entered (even though that same address could be found on the same mobile phone using Google Maps),

2) inability of the NAV system to know the difference between saying "left" and "right" (it sometimes got confused).

The bottom line is I think you might be much happier if you take the approach I plan on taking: tell yourself that you spent the money on the 3LT just for the leather, and that it was worth it; tell yourself the NAV does not exist on your car, or tell yourself that you got NAV included for free with the 3LT leather.

Otherwise, yes, I could see why this would upset you.

I was referring to the ability to input routes, and coordinates, which the OnStar operator can (reportedly do, only time I tried they also screwed it up). It is just the aggravation that GM would nickel and dime me over OnStar instead of just allowing me to transfer the route from Google Maps directly. They apparently permit this on there less expensive cars with "BringGo" application, which I would happily buy, but no, they program it to make OnStar do it. Grrrrr!

I think your advice (money spent on 3LT was worth it for the leather and nice interior) is probably right. I do otherwise love the car. (It just hacks me off that GM tries to lock me into OnStar to get features that they had on earlier GPS and/or other cars offer "free" when you pay the inflated price for the builtin GPS)

 

[tmcternan]

Huh...... Been reading all these posts, and quite frankly, it's kinda making me sick to my stomach..... About to spend a sizable amount of money on a new Z06 with the 3LZ package and hoping in the back of my mind all this ends up getting resolved. Hoping this new 4G system being installed is going to eliminate many of the problems I'm hearing here, but am not holding my breath. All this sounds like it involves a major program flaw in the entire system. I'm now thinking all this has got to go one of two ways:

1) GM finally gets it together and acknowledges the fact there are major flaws in the system and addresses the issue. For example, retrofits all the cars
with current Navigation systems with a new download that can resolve all these issues simply by flashing the existing systems if possible. If GM/OnStar
are in bed together on all of this, then this may deter GM from doing anything about any resolutions. If this is the case, I can honestly see some kind of
class action law suit coming sometime down the road. It's not unreasonable to foresee major lawsuits coming, particularly considering the fact
additional monthly subscription fees are being required from the consumer after the initial purchase of the Navigation system, which definitely isn't
cheap. What kinda makes me sick about all this is based upon what's been said by many of you together with the total lack of transparency on the part
GM and such poor communications on their part. And for customer service to provide a response such as, "It Is Functioning As Designed" really opens
door to the fact they are very much aware of the shortcomings that has been "Designed" into the system. This is quite disheartening from a business
and corporate philosophy standpoint. Others greed, shortsightedness and abuse of those they rely on for gain often results in major losses in the long
run.

2) Leave it to the good 'ole aftermarket. As GM continues to promote "Ill Will" amongst it's good loyal customers, creating yet another dark period in at least one American Automakers history, there's some techno-geek out there looking and saying: Mmmmm, I can come up with a fix for all that and who knows, maybe I can make a few million doing it. The thing is, there's dozens of top quality companies out there providing top quality products with great
reputations that might be working on something right this minute to resolve these issues. I think I can speak for most of us in saying we really don't
want to alter the appearance of our rather expensive cars with some aftermarket looking add-on. I truly believe something is going to appear in the
not too distant future to rectify the shortcomings GM has displayed a lack of interest in resolving......

Hey!!!! We live in AMERICA! Capitalism lives and as long as competitive markets exist, there's always going to be a solution.....

 

[c7eddie]

...three ways

3) Leave everything as-is. They can decide to NOT address the issues, and just keep saying it "works as designed". Consider the steering wheel lock issue on the C5. When they finally issued a recall, the solution was NOT to fix the problem on the automatic transmission cars, they just DISABLED the lock! Problem solved!

Ed

ps. I'm coming around to Rodney's way of thinking..."The bottom line is I think you might be much happier if you take the approach I plan on taking: tell yourself that you spent the money on the 3LT just for the leather, and that it was worth it; tell yourself the NAV does not exist on your car, or tell yourself that you got NAV included for free with the 3LT leather."

... and keep my Garmin in the secret compartment!

In case anyone is taking notes, I love my new C7. It's just frustrating to try and deal with the MyLink Audio and Nav System, so most of the time, I turn it all off and enjoy the NPP audio (which does cut in and out on an A6 because of the AFM system - but that's another thread...)

 

[Raydor]

Having just returned from a weekend stay at my condo, I have another thing to add: The Estimated Time of Arrival is about as accurate as a bent arrow fired by a drunken elf while throwing up.

I've bought over a dozen high-end cars in the last decade and, yes, I know that all of the navigation systems over-estimate travel time by 20% to 30%. The Stingray misses by over 100%. Worst. Navigation System. Ever. Even so, this is the most messed up car I've ever loved. Hot Butter Wax'ing it at sunrise and looking forward to it. What has this car done to me? I blame Glen for making it look fun and then teaching us how to do it right. She may navigate like a dizzy blonde after her first frat party, but I love her.




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[STUNG]

I had occassion to use my nav. to go to a simple place to locate without nav. It sent me the longest route possible and across the only toll bridge we have in the area and in the back way to my destination. What a joke. I made a couple of wrong turns and got the narrator all confused when I wouldn't go the way it wanted me to go. Eventually I wound up on the same road going the same direction and it caught on and gave me better routing to my destination. On the way back it reversed my trip not it's . A test and I will try it again. It is almost like it isn't up to date for Canadian locations & destinations.

Isn't it lovely when the narrator can't be heard over the radio or MP3. My caddy shuts the music off when giving directions. I had to really strain to hear some of the directions.

 

[rdslon01]

I really enjoyed reading all the posts above. Rohard and Ed, I totally understand your points of view. Tom, I think the hardware is perfectly okay (it correctly knows what your GPS coordinates are), but just needs some better software. Don't be surprised if someone hacks it and creates a better interface and control program. Raydor, I so often get a kick out of your posts, especially your similes. Stung, maybe GM is not only in cahoots with OnStar, but also with the British Columbia Department of Transportation, and they routed you across the toll bridge to get some kickback from the toll (just kidding).

 

[greggshere]

I got my 3LT for the Brownstone interior, so I guess I got my NAV for free. That said, my wife and I took a 1000 mile trip into the Tennessee mountains a few weeks ago and it got us all the way to our rented cabin at the top of a mountain and back perfectly fine. Only two times did it verbally tell us to turn the wrong direction, but the visual indicators were correct, and the direction we needed to go was obvious by the signs, so it really wasn't a big deal. As far as the ETA, and voice commands being heard over the sound system, you guys must have some highly defective units, because my ETA was accurate down to the minute and adjusted for the stops we made, and the sound system was muted much lower than the voice commands, so they could be heard properly. I was actually wondering if it would, because I was playing music fairly loud in the car the whole trip. My car was built 4/28/14, maybe you guys need a reflash on the unit or something.

 

[tmcternan]

NAV System Does Not Find Address

Totally by coincidence, just received an email from a friend warning about leaving your GPS on your dashboard in the sun. Apparently the GPS's out there use Lithium batteries, which represent the possibility of an explosion if left in the sun. So for those of you trying to go this route as a possible solution to the issues involving the Nav system, you might want to think twice about leaving the GPS in the sun. Not sure if GM has seen any of these, but hope they eventually do. Note the emblem on the steering wheel in one of the shots.

Sure wish and hope GM is really working on this, otherwise events like this will continue, which is truly unfortunate. I really don't mean to project any negativity here, but this issue is really beginning to build momentum and is of real concern for those that use their navigation.

 

[tmcternan]

I got my 3LT for the Brownstone interior, so I guess I got my NAV for free. That said, my wife and I took a 1000 mile trip into the Tennessee mountains a few weeks ago and it got us all the way to our rented cabin at the top of a mountain and back perfectly fine. Only two times did it verbally tell us to turn the wrong direction, but the visual indicators were correct, and the direction we needed to go was obvious by the signs, so it really wasn't a big deal. As far as the ETA, and voice commands being heard over the sound system, you guys must have some highly defective units, because my ETA was accurate down to the minute and adjusted for the stops we made, and the sound system was muted much lower than the voice commands, so they could be heard properly. I was actually wondering if it would, because I was playing music fairly loud in the car the whole trip. My car was built 4/28/14, maybe you guys need a reflash on the unit or something.

Thank you for the positive feed back greggshere. I'm not sure what's going on here, but I'm hearing allot of it and posts like yours provide reassurance to those of us yet to discover the strengths and weaknesses in the electronics in our new cars. I hope all it involves is a simple reflash of the system. My post above, when I first saw it, I have to admit I automatically assumed the aftermarket GPS was being used because the factory navigational system wasn't working properly, however the car was probably never equipped with navigation to begin with. Then that brings us to the question, why didn't the owner order navigation when they clearly wanted it as evidenced by the aftermarket GPS that blew up.... Hoping I won't experience many of the problems others on this thread have experienced. Just out of curiosity, was your OnStar in full operation at the time?

 

[rohard]

From front sticky, price increase for 2015. (See intro sticky thread for all price info, many prices not going up, but including things that used to be options, good news actually.)

"Nav/PDR (for 1LT & 2LT) = $1,795. This compares to 2014 navigation system being $795, i.e., adding the 2015 PDR required component resulted in a $1,000 price increase."

My question, is the $1,000 price increase for PDR (I assume this is performance Data Recorder?) inclusive, or is it to fix issues with the existing navigation system? It is going to be a real bummer if they come up with better logic and features on the 2015 Nav system and don't reflash the 2014 models. I responded to my Chevrolet Customer Survey today, and was able to give really good marks on all aspects of the car except for the Nav system. I can tell you, before I buy another Corvette, the salesperson is going to spend a lot of time with me going over the electronics in the car. Everything electronic except for the Navigation System has been as good or better than I expected, but Navigation is a major disappointment. I really hope GM incorporates the internet features of the smart phones in the system like, for example, what they did with Pandora. However, there is a product announcement out that they are going to 4G on the OnStar in 2015. this seems to indicate that they are headed the other way (counter to their competition), force you to OnStar for internet applications and Navigation. Hope I am wrong. I really would like a deduct pricing for the OnStar, it is added cost for those of us that don't want it, and will never use it.

 

[Z51Stingray]

Thanks for the answer. I cannot even put down what my response to that would be.

In reality an Android phone, running Google Maps (beta) with a dash mount, is free and apparently would work better.

Thanks.

BUT looks like crap on your dash.

 

[rdslon01]

Use the phone like we do, but don't mount it to the dash.

 

[Raydor]

I wonder if Siri's voice guidance can be routed through the car's Bluetooth to the speakers. Anyone done this?


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[Mobius]

I wonder if Siri's voice guidance can be routed through the car's Bluetooth to the speakers. Anyone done this?

I do this with Android via bluetooth, and it works well.

After the phone links to the car, I select the phone as the media device. When NAV voice commands are issued, the music volume is lowered temporarily.

 

[Raydor]

Thanks. I knew you could do it if using your smart phone as the media device, but I listen to SiriusXM and enjoy the Tune Select application.


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[Racerbob]

Well I found out what everybody has been complaining about. Thursday night I decided to enter the address of a restaurant we wanted to go to only about 7 or 8 miles away in Anaheim. I first tried to enter the address by voice input. The system couldn't understand anything I was saying. After a few trys, I input the address in directly using the keyboard. When I said "go", it came back with something like "invalid address" or something, I don't remember now. The bottom line is: IT'S USELESS!!!!!! Now shouldn't this be fixed under warranty like any other defect? It seems like everybody is just working around the problem.