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No one "needs a Z06," but if you know you really do, and are not now on a large allocation dealership's Z06 list, you probably need to act fairly soon. Here's some facts, or near certainties, that may help you decide, that if you are not currently on a dealership Z06 priority list, whether you need to get on a list now.

1. With its standard NPP performance exhaust, standard Z-51 goodies (most having received a serious injection of steroids), standard MSRC, standard "at least 625 HP/635 TQ" supercharged motor, the Z06 is probably going to base price between $80-85K (perhaps even in the mid/mid-high $70K's).

2. Z06 production will be a limited run during the 2015 model year. Notice how GM's first announcement said "late 2014 availability," the second one said, "early 2015 delivery," and now some spokespersons are even talking "first quarter customer deliveries." Couple this with the typical "slow initial model production run rate," -- as BGAP progressively ramps up production skills/speed (just as they did with the StingRay's rollout), there will not be mega-thousands of Z06's produced during the 2015 model year (MY). In a January 24th presentation, Corvette Performance Marketing Manager Harlan Charles said they would produce C7 Z06's next year, at the same rate as the early C6 Z06 years when they averaged 7,000 units per full production year. However, the early C6 Z06 model years were a full year long, and it looks as if the 2015 MY might be half that long, e.g. about 3,500 2015 Z06's.

3. There will probably be some constraints in 2015 MY Z06 production, specifically in the exposed CF aero and Z07 packages -- as detailed here:

http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum/corvette-z06-purchasing/2714-2015-z06-constraints.html

4. The top three Corvette StingRay dealers by allocation, already, each, have many, many, many customers on their Z06 priority lists. In comparison, one of these three dealers, when I talked to its spokesperson on January 8th, five days before the Z06's reveal, then only had nine folks on its Z06 list.

5. We will learn a lot more about the Z06 at the April NCM Bash. Key Z06 development team members, including Tadge Juechter, Harlan Charles , Kirk Bennion, Ryan Vaughan and many more essential Z06 engineers will be there, giving presentations, answering questions, etc.

Just as the number of folks on a dealership Z06 priority lists swelled immediately following the release of information on "The Beast," at NAIAS in January, the information coming out of the Bash will bring another swell of folks to contact their dealers in the days and first couple of weeks after the event.

6. As with the StingRay roll out, dealers with large allocations will initially received a disproportionate amount of GM "Z06 order acceptances." As some members of forums have painfully learned this year, after having been on dealership lists (deposit/order placed up to four-to-six months ago, some with no progress yet), lots of dealerships will promise you that they can deliver a 2015 Z06, while more than a few of those will not be able to do so. Once again, suggest thorough research into your dealer's allocation capabilities before hitching your wagon to a horsepower-drawn train that has no horses to pull it. If you haven't yet read the following thread, it is just as applicable to ordering and receiving a Z06 as it was, and is, to having your dealer's order requests become a "GM acceptance reality."

http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum...ordering-c7-corvette-thread-will-helpful.html

7. No dealer yet knows either their 2015 MY StingRay, nor their Z06 allocation. While most believe it will be based on total 2014 new Corvettes sales, this has not been confirmed by GM. Z06 allocations MIGHT be given to the dealerships in April, though with delayed Z06 production, that could easily be months later.

8. The top StingRay dealers have confirmed that they are going to sell their Z06's at MSRP. Conversely, some smaller and medium sized dealers are already telling their customers that they will need $10K over list. Just talked with one local medium-sized dealer who originally said they were going to sell Z06's at list, but who recently backed away from that promise. Just as in StingRay sales, it would not surprise any of us that we will again see many southern CA and FL dealers asking up to $25K over list, perhaps a trend that might spread to other parts of the country during the 50%-shorter-than-typical 2015 Z06 production model year.

To summarize, can you afford to wait, while the Z06 priority lists increasingly grow, especially when you can now hitch your wagon to Corvette "dealership allocation leaders" who have committed that you will pay MSRP for your 2015 Z06?
 

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Our StingRay Forum's "dealership supporting vendor," MacMulkin Chevrolet, a dealership with over 1,000, 2014 Corvette allocations, is happy to receive your Z06 request, again at list, including with no documentation fee. Contact Tommy Jr at:

Cell: (603) 475-9903; Office Phone: (888) 672-6840; and/or by E Mail : [email protected]
 

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Not at this time..........

"Hey Bob, right now I'm not taking anymore deposits for orders but once we do I can contact you. I'll forward your email to Ron to put you on our contact list.

Thanks

Tommy Jr"
 

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Not at this time..........

"Hey Bob, right now I'm not taking anymore deposits for orders but once we do I can contact you. I'll forward your email to Ron to put you on our contact list. Thanks Tommy Jr"
Correct that he is not requiring deposits at this time. Correct that he is placing new Z06 customers onto a prioritized contact list, so that a soon as GM gives him his actual Z06 allocation numbers, he will be able to, in that priority order, get you your Z06.
 

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Thought a bit more about the relative difficulty of next year getting a Z06 next year compared to the difficulty many have had, and many are still having, of getting a Z-51 this year. After doing the math, it is probable that the difficulty of getting a Z06 next year is, at least going to be twice as hard as getting a Z-51 this year, and could well be, five/six times more difficult.

Can not get more precise that that, as it is unknown how many new customers will, for the first time be attracted to the Z06 because it will have both a removable top and automatic transmission capability (and the five/six times greater difficulty amount does not assume any additional Z06 sales due to consequent "expanded potential audience" attractiveness).
 

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It seems that dealers might be getting less allocations than they thought due to the delayed production. IMHO the window to get on a list that will turn into a Z is closing fast. Personally if I was considering it but not sure I would give a dealer a refundable deposit and use the 6 months before you can place your order to decide. This is truly going to be an amazing car and probably the lowest produced year. Cant wait till its in my garage.
 

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Well, I do assume that they plan on making a 2016...
Absolutely, but for those who have been waiting for this car for years, long before it was officially announced, waiting another year -- for the 2015's, will be more than long enough. More power to those who are able to wait for the 2016 Z06.
 

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Absolutely, but for those who have been waiting for this car for years, long before it was officially announced, waiting another year -- for the 2015's, will be more than long enough. More power to those who are able to wait for the 2016 Z06.
The question is will GM pull another marketing gimmick price hike on the 2016s? Otherwise holding out for 2016 is no big deal if not in a hurry, gives you more bargaining margin with the dealer to go under msrp and there might be some functional changes trickled from the stingray by 2016MY.
 

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some dealership in canada is quoting customers the previous c6 stage 1 z06 were going for 120k!! geez i wonder what the c7 z06 will be like there, some dealership have no clue when it comes to corvettes.
 

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Local dealer anticipates/guesses they will get approximately 6 allocations for 2015 Z06, based on 2014 Stingray sales. Additional allocations may be granted by Chevrolet, but not guaranteed.

Salesman says ALL of the allocations will be available when 2015 Z06 ordering opens. Really? So, if I place my deposit (#4 is available) and they get at least 4 allocations, my car would be ordered in the "1st round".

Per him, the actual order the cars are built would depend entirely on production availability of options and colors. Makes sense, I suppose.

Does any or all or none of this sound right? Would you take a $5K (refundable) leap of faith based on this information? Or, do you think I am setting myself up for disappointment?


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"Z06 Hopeful," your skepticism of your dealer's interpretation of the allocation system is justified.

Unless the allocation system is changed, and just how got off the phone from a top five five dealer who similarly thinks it is not going to change (not Tommy @ MacMulkin) , dealers get to enter their orders based on two things: 1) having allocation for the specific class for which GM is, that week, accepting new orders, e.g. a Z06 coupe, and, 2) that week how your dealers relative allocation level stacks up compared to other dealers. For example, if GM's were to accept, nationwide, 32 Z06 coupe orders on September 18th, it is possible your dealer might have one order accepted that week, but also possible that none of his/her orders were accepted that week (definitely not all four of your dealers orders would be picked up that week), with current allocation system giving preference to the biggest GM dealerships. GM makes its final acceptance decisions the following Tuesday.

Here's something else I just learned, that each week, dealers get to place their orders (Thursday), with a hard deadline of Saturday at 4:00 PM. If a dealer has a lower allocation than another one, but the latter doesn't enter its order until 4:01, everyone moves up and the one who entered at 4:01 is out of luck until the following week.
 

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I'm going to throw my $.02 out there and this is just speculation. Seeing how these cars are a late 2015 build with less than 6 month build year and by this time the demand for the Stingray has dropped after meeting the large initial demand that GM will put a high priority in getting as many Z06's built for 2015 as they can. Also assuming the 2015 model year will end in June next year.
 

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Since sales volume affects allocation and order fulfillment priority, is there any reliable source of information as to which dealers have top Corvette sales volume in their respective regions? Maybe a "top 10 list" of Corvette sales by region?


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Since sales volume affects allocation and order fulfillment priority, is there any reliable source of information as to which dealers have top Corvette sales volume in their respective regions? Maybe a "top 10 list" of Corvette sales by region?
Not by region, but you can deduce that from this list.

http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum...ngray-sales-dealers-first-quarter-2014-a.html

BTW, send you a couple of private message with lots of background/other info.
 

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I'm going to throw my $.02 out there and this is just speculation. Seeing how these cars are a late 2015 build with less than 6 month build year and by this time the demand for the Stingray has dropped after meeting the large initial demand that GM will put a high priority in getting as many Z06's built for 2015 as they can. Also assuming the 2015 model year will end in June next year.
I will add to support my above statement is R&D costs. GM is going to want to start recouping their costs in designing the Z06 as soon as possible thus my reasoning for trying to sell as many as they can in 2015.
 

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Like that idea, that they disproportionately make Z06's once production starts. Of course, they will only be able to do that to the degree that putting together a Z06 on the assembly line does not take more time for certain works stations than it takes to assemble a StingRay.

For this reason, right now, there are never two convertibles going down the line back-to-back. If, for example, they could sprinkle in a Z06 every third or four car, instead of their plan to make just 620 per month (roughly one in five), and make more Z06's without slowing down the production rate, that would be desirable for Z06 customers. Unfortunately, as we all know the phrase "be careful what you wish for," that could mean longer waits next year for StingRay coupe and/or Stingray convertible customers. Hopefully, by the approximate December start of Z06 assembly line production, all constraints, especially for the Z-51, have been long eliminated.
 

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Just talked with one local meJust as in StingRay sales, it would not surprise any of us that we will again see many southern CA and FL dealers asking up to $25K over list, perhaps a trend that might spread to other parts of the country during the 50%-shorter-than-typical 2015 Z06 production model year.
Geez I love living in California, outrageous gas prices, outrageous sales taxes, outrageous registration fees, insane dealer markups on the Stingray, Jerry Clown..............what's not to love?

I say go, mama says NO!
 

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Geez I love living in California, outrageous gas prices, outrageous sales taxes, outrageous registration fees, insane dealer markups on the Stingray, Jerry Clown..............what's not to love? I say go, mama says NO!
Many valid reasons why we do not live in California.

At least, all Californians (and everyone else) have an option to definitely get your Z next year, at MSRP, no documentation fee....
 

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Sobering 2015 Z06 purchase point...

One of the top five dealers in the country just stated that 2015 Z06 production will start in January, 2015 and end in June, 2015. Guess this thread's main point, that you need to be on a top dealer's Z06 priority list has some teeth to it. Even if GM slows down production of StingRays during this six month window -- to maximize Z06 production, sorry but folks coming to the table down the road will probably not be getting their Z06 until the 2016 model year. Additionally compounding things, is that will mean that 2015 Z06 convertibles will only be produced for approximately only a three month window.
 
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