[TorqueNews]

What do you think is a reasonable and realistic price for the new Performance Data Recorder system? Would you please elaborate your answer.

More about this you can read at
http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum...-data-recorder-might-coolest-feature-yet.html

 

[elegant]

Yes, it will have lots of new stuff, including a built in camera, upgraded infotainment system,advanced GPS, and includes the Cosworth software system, but, conversely, use a lot of the existing 2014 StingRay components already exist, e.g., nav screen, computer capabilities. Guessing that it will cost $1,695.

As per Redc7's post on a similar thread (and re-quoted here with thanks), "With high definition camera mounted in the windshield header, a microphone system inside of the car and a lightning fast GPS tracking system and a 32 gigabyte card inserted near the glove box, I would say 'no' as to the ability to have GM's PDR system dealer" or aftermarket installed.

However, there is already option, and will be more, similar aftermarket components, and perhaps systems available, as already pointed out by our newest vendor "weaponXmotorsports."

 

[TorqueNews]

Thank you that's great elegant

 

[Chip]

I just wonder if this system and it's data can be used in legal proceedings? If so, it could be a double edged sword?

 

[rdslon01]

I am not a legal expert, but my guess is if it shows you are guilty of something, you just don't let people know you have it, or, if they know, you destroy the data before discovery. Ask them how they can be sure it was turned on. Also, you cannot be forced to testify against yourself, so you could refuse to answer the question of if it was actually recording at that time or not. So, people could never prove that you destroyed the data.

 

[H2OStingray]

I just wonder if this system and it's data can be used in legal proceedings? If so, it could be a double edged sword?

I agree, so they are basically going to have gps tracking and video of me do extremely high speeds. I think for now I will stick with the go pro.

 

[rdslon01]

They already have GPS tracking of you. They do of everyone with Onstar. Also, you cannot opt-out, even if you cancel your Onstar subscription. I read the fine print when my wife got her Cadillac.

The only way to get around this is to pull some wires going to the Onstar box. Check Google and Youtube.

 

[Redc7]

I know for example someone who went to jail for trying to outrun a cop. The passenger had a video camera in the car with them and was videoing things like the speed and all conversations going on within the car. They used it in court......

 

[rdslon01]

I know for example someone who went to jail for trying to outrun a cop. The passenger had a video camera in the car with them and was videoing things like the speed and all conversations going on within the car. They used it in court......

Yeah, because the cop saw it when he caught them. The thing is, if they don't realize it is there, then they can't get what they don't know to look for or find. Heck, just take the SD card out quickly, and stick it somewhere they will never think to look. Finally, if they do something to violate your fourth amendment right to not be subjected to an unreasonable search or seizure, a good lawyer will get that evidence thrown out in court.

 

[rdslon01]

By the way, the real problem here, if you are concerned, is Onstar. When you buy your car, you are given information which says that you understand that you are agreeing to give Onstar the right to the data which they collect from your car. Also, there is no opt-out for you. Even if you do not pay after the trial period, they still have access to your car's data devices, they just do not use it for your benefit unless you pay. Onstar also makes it clear in their fine print that this is the case, and they control with whom they share such data, such as law enforcement.

When I read the Onstar agreement when my wife bought her car, I was just shocked at how much of our privacy we are giving away.

Anyway, Onstar is out of your control (unless you remove wires from your Onstar module to disable it). Worry about that, not about data on an SD card which you do control.

 

[H2OStingray]

Yeah, because the cop saw it when he caught them. The thing is, if they don't realize it is there, then they can't get what they don't know to look for or find. Heck, just take the SD card out quickly, and stick it somewhere they will never think to look. Finally, if they do something to violate your fourth amendment right to not be subjected to an unreasonable search or seizure, a good lawyer will get that evidence thrown out in court.

I will tell you if you get arrested and your car is impounded it is proper procedure to do complete documentation of that car. This ensures that if and when you do get the car back everything is accounted for. It is also a little trick that LE uses to basically allow a search of your car. Example not speeding related (person gets pulled over for parole violation, suspect is then arrested and car is impounded. Car is then documented of all contents and they find a drugs in the trunk now that suspect will be charge with drug possession)

 

[rdslon01]

That is why the first thought of where I would put it was in my sock lower than my ankle. SD cards are small. You can expect they might pat you down to your ankles to reasonably look for a weapon, but looking below the ankles in your sock is unreasonable.

Worry about Onstar. That is an actual problem if you are going to do something nefarious (or in some cases, not even nefarious).

By the way, I just Googled for this again, but could not find it. Some time ago I read online that some husband and wife were arrested because of an argument they were having in their car. Neither called Onstar, but, from what I read, apparently if people are screaming in the car, this sets off a trigger for an Onstar rep to listen in. You don't have to push the button. The Onstar rep listened in, heard threats of they were going to kill each other, and sent a cop to their location without speaking to them. The cop got there, they both said there was no problem, but he arrested both of them anyway (they were both threatening each other, but no actual physical harm was done). Go figure.

 

[H2OStingray]

That is why the first thought of where I would put it was in my sock lower than my ankle. SD cards are small. You can expect they might pat you down to your ankles to reasonably look for a weapon, but looking below the ankles in your sock is unreasonable.
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A pat down or frisk is always authorized in search of weapons Terry v. Ohio. But a pat down is not a search but if you are arrested a search will be conducted before transport, then a full more complete search will be conducted when you are getting processed.

 

[rdslon01]

Like I said, put it somewhere they will not find it, get a decent attorney if they do, stop worrying about the SD card, and instead worry about Onstar. My wife leaves hers plugged in because we have nothing to hide. But if I were going to do something nefarious, I would make sure the Onstar box had its cables pulled, or I would make sure I used an old car without Onstar. Also, leave your phone at home.