[Redc7]

Just what we all need.

Apple retail stores begin carrying Automatic, the sensor that aims to make you a better driver | The Verge

"The tracking device connects to a car's OBD-II port — something that all modern vehicles should have — and then beams driving details like fuel use, mileage, engine status, and more back to an iPhone over Bluetooth."

 

[Chip]

I wonder how sophisticated the installed black box by GM is, as related to tracking and the like? Of course it would not be a owner useable device.

 

[jsvette]

Just what we all need.

Apple retail stores begin carrying Automatic, the sensor that aims to make you a better driver | The Verge

"The tracking device connects to a car's OBD-II port — something that all modern vehicles should have — and then beams driving details like fuel use, mileage, engine status, and more back to an iPhone over Bluetooth."

I'll bite, why is this "just what we all need"? All of that info already is available to you via your on board computer, plus you get the monthly reports from OnStar- at least during the free part.

 

[jsvette]

I wonder how sophisticated the installed black box by GM is, as related to tracking and the like? Of course it would not be a owner useable device.

OnStar (comes with your C7) can locate your vehicle at anytime.

 

[Chip]

Yeah I know that's right, but I'm not referring to OnStar...

 

[urrtoast]

This is nothing new its been out for many many yrs
You need a OBD2 bluetooth sender.
Interfuse LLC. | Blue ELM327 v1.5 OBD-II OBD2 Bluetooth Automobile Car Diagnostic Adapter

Then download Torque pro of the Google play store.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.prowl.torque&hl=en

I have had mine for 3 yrs already..

 

[scottsdaledave]

I worked on GM black box and technology / information integration probably over 10 yrs ago. I'm sure they're more sophisticated now. Back then we collected about dozen data points and relayed them real time through OnStar to GM data warehouse. So if engine light comes on, GM would know about your issues. Where they were going with this, is if engine light comes on, they were going to mandate that you bring car in for servicing within so many miles or the would void your warranty. Ie they didn't want people driving for miles with something wrong until smoke comes from the engine. Obviously we ran into privacy issues etc. So now GM collects this data passively and they perform analysis on driving, car troubles, quality assurance, etc. In case of accident the data points are available and can be used for insurance purposes. If you know about this

 

[smehat]

Reading the user manual section 13-14, I got concern about privacy... and found this thread that confirm what you can read in the user manual. No one tells you at the time you place your order or when you get delivery of your car that it does record lot of data that can be used by GM to void warranty or police as part of an investigation.

In addition to the computers that record information about the vehicle's performance and how it is driven, there is an EDR : "Event Data Recorders". "The EDR is designed to record data related to vehicle dynamics and safety systems for a short period of time, typically 30 seconds or less." Part of what is recorded is how fast the vehicle was traveling". "These data can help provide a better understanding of the circumstances in which crashes and injuries occur." It does not look like this include the PDR video, therefore despite you may not be responsible for an accident, last 30 minutes speed may not be in your favor, when other cars part of the accident may not have similar system...

Following section is about OnStar that may collect additional data real time!!

It would be great if we could have the option to protect our Privacy when we are driving OUR car that we paid with OUR money, and deactivate these recording if we do not wish to use these.

Did you experience or hear about any use of the EDR?

 

[dpmdc]

Reading the user manual section 13-14, I got concern about privacy... and found this thread that confirm what you can read in the user manual. No one tells you at the time you place your order or when you get delivery of your car that it does record lot of data that can be used by GM to void warranty or police as part of an investigation.

In addition to the computers that record information about the vehicle's performance and how it is driven, there is an EDR : "Event Data Recorders". "The EDR is designed to record data related to vehicle dynamics and safety systems for a short period of time, typically 30 seconds or less." Part of what is recorded is how fast the vehicle was traveling". "These data can help provide a better understanding of the circumstances in which crashes and injuries occur." It does not look like this include the PDR video, therefore despite you may not be responsible for an accident, last 30 minutes speed may not be in your favor, when other cars part of the accident may not have similar system...

Following section is about OnStar that may collect additional data real time!!

It would be great if we could have the option to protect our Privacy when we are driving OUR car that we paid with OUR money, and deactivate these recording if we do not wish to use these.

Did you experience or hear about any use of the EDR?

EDR's have been around for about 10 years. I learned about them at a Seminar on neck injuries and CAD injuries 10 years ago. They are not "commonly" used as most are not aware they are even there. The "black box" is constantly being overwritten (about every 30 seconds) until there is an airbag deployment at which point it stops recording. Can be used if there is a primary then secondary collision to determine who hit who first. Obviously it is recording speed too.

 

[TNSQUIRE]

Reading the user manual section 13-14, I got concern about privacy... and found this thread that confirm what you can read in the user manual. No one tells you at the time you place your order or when you get delivery of your car that it does record lot of data that can be used by GM to void warranty or police as part of an investigation.

In addition to the computers that record information about the vehicle's performance and how it is driven, there is an EDR : "Event Data Recorders". "The EDR is designed to record data related to vehicle dynamics and safety systems for a short period of time, typically 30 seconds or less." Part of what is recorded is how fast the vehicle was traveling". "These data can help provide a better understanding of the circumstances in which crashes and injuries occur." It does not look like this include the PDR video, therefore despite you may not be responsible for an accident, last 30 minutes speed may not be in your favor, when other cars part of the accident may not have similar system...

Following section is about OnStar that may collect additional data real time!!

It would be great if we could have the option to protect our Privacy when we are driving OUR car that we paid with OUR money, and deactivate these recording if we do not wish to use these.

Did you experience or hear about any use of the EDR?

Law enforcement typically extracts this data whenever a collision occurs involving major injuries or a fatality.

 

[smehat]

Thank you for the confirmation. Obviously I need to read the manual of my other cars too if it as been around for years. Any experience with the warranty being voided because of the other data recorded by the "computers"?

 

[rdslon01]

Thank you for the confirmation. Obviously I need to read the manual of my other cars too if it as been around for years. Any experience with the warranty being voided because of the other data recorded by the "computers"?

I was told by one of our dealerships locally here in the Bay Area that it has become a requirement for them to transmit that data to GM as part of any warranty claim.

I don't know if it is true or not, but I am just telling you what I was told.

 

[glen e]

Porsche and BMW will refuse warranty if ECM data suggests missed shifts causing overrevs....